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JohnnyBlaze said:

By the way, you might want to keep an eye on the Seuss thread. You Know Who Down In Whoville was already trying to steer it down a political avenue when it is not a Politics Thread.




Theodore Geisel aka Dr. Seuss, was a political cartoonist during WWII, and I'm sure some of his own politics and those of the world around him, at the time, filtered into his writings.   The same could be said of any writer and artist , based on the times they lived in--art imitates life, right ?

So to say that politics should have no place in the discussion , is taking away an aspect of the discussion itself .  We don't have to make it all about politics , but if it played a role in influencing the writing & art , then it's a prompt for (civilized) discussion.

Not at least giving a nod to the influence that politics can have, sort of takes the wind out of many art forms , writing , paintings etc.   Do you think Voltaire would have written the things he did, if the French Revolution weren't at hand?  How about our own writers here and how we are influenced by the politics in the world around us?  The same can be said for Seuss.

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MadameLavender said:
Theodore Geisel aka Dr. Seuss, was a political cartoonist during WWII, and I'm sure some of his own politics and those of the world around him, at the time, filtered into his writings.   The same could be said of any writer and artist , based on the times they lived in--art imitates life, right ?

So to say that politics should have no place in the discussion , is taking away an aspect of the discussion itself .  We don't have to make it all about politics , but if it played a role in influencing the writing & art , then it's a prompt for (civilized) discussion.

Not at least giving a nod to the influence that politics can have, sort of takes the wind out of many art forms , writing , paintings etc.   Do you think Voltaire would have written the things he did, if the French Revolution weren't at hand?  How about our own writers here and how we are influenced by the politics in the world around us?  The same can be said for Seuss.


If you revisit the Seuss thread, you'll notice I gave a shout out to whoever is reading that it is not a political topic. Like, you.


JohnnyBlaze said:Firstly, let me remind everyone that this is not a Politics topic. This is more for the benefit of outsiders to understand than those posting to this thread.

In said thread, I did not discourage anyone from discussing politics. Nor did I suggest anyone do so here.

I only mentioned here that there were attempts to steer it down a political avenue and an eye should be kept on the person doing it.

A person who creates and perpetuates political threads filled with what people here are complaining about and want a special room for, as if that will solve anything and do anything more than legitimize what she is doing as "discussion".

One of a few people on this site being disruptive, that shouldn't be too hard to keep an eye on, by virtue of the fact they are people few.

Politics threads in general are not a problem at DUP, like I've been saying all along.

Please, don't put words in my mouth. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that your interpretation of what I said was a result of me not being clear and consise enough.

Thank you.

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And there goes the Seuss thread, courtesy of the usual suspects.

https://deepundergroundpoetry.com/forum/525533/gotopost/

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I love how Bidenistas deem to tell other people about "reality". Establishment democrats are as far off topic and in China's pocket as you can get.

To all the leftist supporting digital book burning, with a 1000 bullshit excuses, ...you should know...Book burners are never and I mean never the "good" guys. No matter how much authoritarian rationale you swallow, if you support censorship of any kind, you are a Nazi. Democrats were Nazis in the 30s, then they redeemed themselves but now they have returned to their speech suppression, segregation, and violent ways, ...with a big shit eating grin on their faces. We are currently under state and internet Nazi rule. That is why they call Republicans Nazis... To cover their crimes. However, the whole world sees their bullshit.

Antifa- not racist
Dr. Seuss- racist

This is about destroying tradition and morals. International socialists stated this goal a hundred years ago. Modern neo liberals follow that doctrine like sheep. Why claiming everyone else is "off topic".


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America is not calling for censorship... Establishment leftists are. Not a single conservative has called for censorship of history, literature and modern events. Democrats in Washington and leftist tech oligarchs are the ONLY ones cheering on suppression. This is because they can use race and other factors as a means to silence their enemies. A Trotskyite tactic used by clever cowards.

I am so so very glad I am not a bitch that thinks it is ok to call "the muppets" racist while throwing green eggs and ham upon the gas fire just because my slave master said so....

At least we know who to blame for the destruction of America-- Bidenistas and their mental slaves on the democrat plantation....

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Thread locked :  jump over here for any-topic-goes, politics

https://deepundergroundpoetry.com/forum/speakeasy/read/11846/


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And this was supposed to be my thread and am absolutely glad that wisdom prevailed and actually am grateful for the mods to have locked it. For I was taking way too long to respond to the people who dared to present their free will/views .  I apologize to them but also commend them for their courage to air their free view. Unfortunately they've been called *knockdown cabal* .
The usage of the term speaks volumes about the mentality, the respect and regard the person holds for those who dare to speak something that's different to the most vocal.
I have respected, stayed out, until today from the political threads started by "those who shall not be named" and yet their presence on this thread outweighs the combined presence of everyone else.
The term guilty conscience comes to mind.

At the end of the day, respect cannot be demanded,but earned.

I would like to thank each and every brave individual DU member who participated in this thread which was, if one looks at the OP a journey in exploring the why's and why nots. As usual the usual suspects started attacking any and everyone who didn't agree with them.
The thread is for all to see. I kept from responding much earlier to their repeated arguings with others on this thread for I believe the truth is visible for all to see.
There's a wise old saying- just because you can, doesn't mean you should. That goes for everything, including starting all sorts of political threads and all. Yes you can, it's not against the rules, but does it mean you should?☺️

I know this hurts some but I want to repeat, at DU, all voices have equal weight as no one member is above another. All have equal rights, despite their political leanings and right or wrong political positioning.


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cold_fusion said:And this was supposed to be my thread and am absolutely glad that wisdom prevailed and actually am grateful for the mods to have locked it. For I was taking way too long to respond to the people who dared to present their free will/views .  I apologize to them but also commend them for their courage to air their free view. Unfortunately they've been called *knockdown cabal* .
The usage of the term speaks volumes about the mentality, the respect and regard the person holds for those who dare to speak something that's different to the most vocal.
I have respected, stayed out, until today from the political threads started by "those who shall not be named" and yet their presence on this thread outweighs the combined presence of everyone else.
The term guilty conscience comes to mind.

At the end of the day, respect cannot be demanded,but earned.

I would like to thank each and every brave individual DU member who participated in this thread which was, if one looks at the OP a journey in exploring the why's and why nots. As usual the usual suspects started attacking any and everyone who didn't agree with them.
The thread is for all to see. I kept from responding much earlier to their repeated arguings with others on this thread for I believe the truth is visible for all to see.
There's a wise old saying- just because you can, doesn't mean you should. That goes for everything, including starting all sorts of political threads and all. Yes you can, it's not against the rules, but does it mean you should?☺️

I know this hurts some but I want to repeat, at DU, all voices have equal weight as no one member is above another. All have equal rights, despite their political leanings and right or wrong political positioning.



No one attacked anyone in your thread. What was suggested was countered with more suggestions in the interest of resolving the supposed problem proposed.

Oh, wait. Ricky accused me of posting and then hiding mean comments about the Webmiss after he accused no one in particular of wanting mods in their back pocket.

Get a grip.

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cold_fusion said:Dear Webmistress and the powers to be

Can we please have a new room...a full blown forum where all sorts of political discourse can take place and where one can create any number of threads so as to have a distinct place to let steam off and not have it cook the other forums with it's radiant heat? please.

I say why not have a proper full on Forum where the political, anything related to politics can live and breathe freely and have only one thread at any time appear on the front page of DU?

Just like everything else, politics has its place. At the end of the day the DUP does not stand for DeepUnderground Politics. Let's have a well defined corner for this essential necessary space.

I hate starting new threads. But just needed to explore the option the why's and why nots of it with the powers to be on DU.

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Just getting this back on track with the original point. Thereís been some good suggestions so far from many.

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JohnnyBlaze said:

No one attacked anyone in your thread. What was suggested was countered with more suggestions in the interest of resolving the supposed problem proposed.

Oh, wait. Ricky accused me of posting and then hiding mean comments about the Webmiss after he accused no one in particular of wanting mods in their back pocket.

Get a grip.



No one was attacked?  Ok so snippy little comments like :

1."Get a grip "
2. Calling Craic a poor judge on page 6
3. Referring to Edible as "you know who down in Who ville"

Are little forms of attack.  

The premise of this thread was to suggest and discuss the possible need for and options to make a dedicated place for topics of political nature.  But instead, your own comments have turned it into whining about how your own threads are being ruined by everyone who has a different viewpoint than yours.  You complain that people say this and say that , yet you do it too--- plank in everyone's eye , splinter in your own .. .

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Northern_Soul said:

Just getting this back on track with the original point. Thereís been some good suggestions so far from many.



Thank you !

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MadameLavender said:


Thank you !


Youíre welcome. Itíll go largely unnoticed by many, but hey, we tried.

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No one was attacked?  Ok so snippy little comments like :

1."Get a grip "
2. Calling Craic a poor judge on page 6
3. Referring to Edible as "you know who down in Who ville"

Are little forms of attack.  

The premise of this thread was to suggest and discuss the possible need for and options to make a dedicated place for topics of political nature.  But instead, your own comments have turned it into whining about how your own threads are being ruined by everyone who has a different viewpoint than yours.  You complain that people say this and say that , yet you do it too--- plank in everyone's eye , splinter in your own .. .


You should have just left the thread stay locked after you posted that lengthy misrepresentation of what I said in another thread. You can spin it out of context into me wanting to censure alternative viewpoints all you care to. Someone constantly polluting other threads with "piece of shit Democrats" and similar phrases is not a viewpoint.

And thanks for tending to those blatant trollings I did mention, Moderator.

Good luck in having your Politics Forum created.




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JohnnyBlaze said:

You should have just left the thread stay locked after you posted that lengthy misrepresentation of what I said in another thread. You can spin it out of context into me wanting to censure alternative viewpoints all you care to. Someone constantly polluting other threads with "piece of shit Democrats" and similar phrases is not a viewpoint.

And thanks for tending to those blatant trollings I did mention, Moderator.

Good luck in having your Politics Forum created.





So because Dr. Seuss was a political commentator and cartoonist , means that politics played no role or had no influence on some of his children's books and therefore politics should not be discussed as part of why said books are banned?

How do you expect that a decision to ban books, has absolutely no political aspect to it ?

As far as trolling, not every single thing qualifies as being an attack, and you not personally liking someone, isn't grounds for having everything they post, removed.  I'm not the only mod here that attends to forum reports and if another mod felt there was no grounds for removing posts, then it's not up to us as mods to undermine each other's decisions.

My own little political thread-- its success remains to be seen , but at least it's a place where  anything and everyone is welcome, without having to tailor each post to rigid , fact checked rules that absolutely cannot veer off topic.  My only "rule" is no slashing each other's throats.

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matey if you want to indirectly refer to my misinformation thread as too rigid and requiring fact checks, source reliability etc, well, thatís just the nature of it, as most of the other threads have zero reliability that way at all.  if itís a big problem for you i guess you can always - whatís that phrase we like to say- ignore it?

wouldnít mind it being moved into a politics forum as the majority of posts there are political in some way or another

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To be honest the reason I donít participate in the majority of politics threads is nobody has time to Google and read through and provide 100 links, facts, and bold quotes. Not to mention getting shouted down for daring to be alive and trying to voice their view.

Like... whatever happened to just being able to talk about stuff casually?

A thread like the misinformation thread is different. That asks for facts. It says it on the tin and people know to avoid it if thatís not for them.

So Iím gonna give this politics thread of Lavís a go. If it gets to much, it gets to much. But personally Iím all for a bit of chill. And thatís what the forums are sorely missing, in my humble opinion.

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MadameLavender said:

So because Dr. Seuss was a political commentator and cartoonist , means that politics played no role or had no influence on some of his children's books and therefore politics should not be discussed as part of why said books are banned?

How do you expect that a decision to ban books, has absolutely no political aspect to it ?

As far as trolling, not every single thing qualifies as being an attack, and you not personally liking someone, isn't grounds for having everything they post, removed.  I'm not the only mod here that attends to forum reports and if another mod felt there was no grounds for removing posts, then it's not up to us as mods to undermine each other's decisions.

My own little political thread-- its success remains to be seen , but at least it's a place where  anything and everyone is welcome, without having to tailor each post to rigid , fact checked rules that absolutely cannot veer off topic.  My only "rule" is no slashing each other's throats.


Lying about someone supposedly harrassing the Webmiss via the forum is pretty huge, Moderator.

But, WHATEVER!

Again, you are misrepresenting what I said in the Seuss thread and what I further explained about the Seuss thread here.

But, WHATEVER!

Enjoy your very own Political thread filled with ( already debunked ) "Blue Anon" conspiracy theories about "piece of shit Democrats" and so forth.


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