a few points, CF:
[ . . . ] All am saying is there's a reason there's dedicated smoking areas in public places... because it affects those non smokers too.
A forum thread cannot affect a member if they do not open the thread, unlike smoking in public areas, which affects everyone within the area. So is the nature in my personal view of charged political discussion. Many if not most are just simply put off by it. As far as the option of people to keep ignoring the political threads, sometimes it just is not possible if it keeps repeating on the front page. And the stats you mention about the time of replying,only few of the political threads on the forefront, well there's some who do their bit to keep it that way.
Firstly, CF, yes; it is a personal choice whether or not members choose to ignore a thread. Period. I see word games and question games pop up continually—that is what dominates the speakeasy.
Secondly, I am well
aware of the politics behind the scenes here and the lengths they'll go to. I can see your confusion, because everything is clear to you re politics and the inescapable nature of it. And this is exactly what I meant - you don't mind participating in political discussion,you got the stomach for it. And you're not the only one, heaps more are. I personally don't mind a 'robust' political discussion. An adult one without the people discussing getting personal and attacking each other than attacking the views. But it is not everyone's cup of tea. And there is unnecessary distraction. Politics should have it's legitimate space, open and free but not spread on the front sheet.
Firstly, you're wrong about the reason I am confused, CF. It's not because I understand the nature of politics, it's because your reasons for suggesting a new forum don't add up for me; thus, I am attempting to understand why.
Take the second example you're providing. Picture a public park where people are talking and hanging out and then there's heated arguments about- it is disturbing the peace. Does not mean the right to enjoyment of peaceful time of others must be subordinate to the freedom of speech of the fighters of both the good and the bad sides.
A thread is not a public park. No one can hear a thing unless they personally CHOOSE to open the thread. The understanding with a public park is that you never know what you're going to get because people have a right to play music, which may annoy someone attempting to read, and so forth.
That is not the case here. I don't care how many times the very few political threads rise to the latest post listing. There are many alternative ones that dominate the list on a daily basis ( I know, I know, there are certain people making sure of that ). Here I am exploring, 'together' with one and all, re the option of whether we should have a dedicated forum for political discussions, where any and everything good,bad and ugly of the side of politics, life can be openly discussed. You raised some good points re the cons and also some good questions.
Johnny's reply I really appreciate cause his points made great sense. He shed light on some aspects of the reality of the situation as well. Credit to him.
In short, I welcome any and all suggestions,in the process of exploring.
We very much appreciate the consideration to express our opinion ( some of which are hard facts ). But I wish you would call a spade a spade ( which is the real reason you are suggesting this new forum ). We all know it's because of two members, and a third who acts like the site clown to draw attention to himself, and a fourth who periodically likes to spam across threads ( though seems to have calmed down ). Ahavati there's a heaps of other points you've made which I will be replying to in due course but for the moment I will just remind me and all, here we are exploring, together the why's and why nots.
During my University studies one of the points re meetings and etiquettes was the unfortunate nature of group dynamics, where one speaker dominates the whole discussion. I come from a family of six siblings with huge age gaps between them... unfortunately my eldest brother is a family bully... whenever we held a family meeting he just would not let others speak and dominate all the discussion. Would just shut topics out. Some of youngest siblings would just not open their mouths. I found the same at some of the team meetings during my career.
I would be happy if more people participated and more diverse views come across not just us the old DU members going on and on.Am afraid not many would. But am giving it a go anyways.
In advance am letting you and all know I would be able to only properly reply from Monday the 1st of March as I've got some stuff to deal with life offline.
In reference to dominating, how is it that certain members can freely run amok with their hate speech and disrespectful references in threads because there are no site guidelines which state one must adhere to the op's guidelines? And YET—you damn-well BETTER ask a question in the ask the next person a question thread or there are some who go nuts
Do you see how imbalanced that is?
The Speakeasy forum, according to guidelines, is a *discussion* forum - not a word game forum; not a question game forum; but, according to guidelines, a discussion about anyting-but-poetry forum.
Politics, sans the antics by certain members, adheres to those guidelines. If members are voluntarily opening and reading those threads, and then choosing to argue with a brick wall, then it's on them; not the brick wall.
Particularly when everyone knows certain avenues are nothing but a damn brick wall. There's going to come a point in everyone's life that they will need to accept responsibility for their own
actions vs controlling the situation around them so they can have more room, and feel more secure and in control ( not implying you are doing that ).
Peace, CF. Best of luck on your endeavor. Believe it or not, I know exactly what you are advocating ( and why you are really advocating for it ); but, overall it's not adding up logically. And that's where I fall short on the suggestion. Nothing more.