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Was not knocking you at all , Johnny...

I feel we are on even keel , now !

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Blackwolf said:Was not knocking you at all , Johnny...

I feel we are on even keel , now !


I know you weren't. At the time, years ago, it was like WTF.

It's all good now, BW. :)

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David_Macleod said:

I actually agree with what you say and DU, on the whole, does well but we have to take responsibility for our actions when taken against another member. The arts, (I include poetry in that), is full of sensitive people many people have mental health issues and sometimes a harsh comment like "Just pull your self together!" can have huge consequences' So we should all be sensitive especially around people with mental health problems, we have a duty as a member not to make things deliberately difficult for another member to enjoy the site (It's In The Guidelines)

Maybe the three people is a bad idea - maybe if three mods recognise the person being abused in a poem could act - its what used to happen

:-)


I feel that could be a good alternative , David , thank you...

However , the Mods , would / must be those with integrity...

Not those with personal vendettas , or leanings in any
particular way , and that in itself is a mouthful to say...

( nothing against the Mods , just honest...we are humans...mostly )

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David_Macleod said:

I actually agree with what you say and DU, on the whole, does well but we have to take responsibility for our actions when taken against another member. The arts, (I include poetry in that), is full of sensitive people many people have mental health issues and sometimes a harsh comment like "Just pull your self together!" can have huge consequences' So we should all be sensitive especially around people with mental health problems, we have a duty as a member not to make things deliberately difficult for another member to enjoy the site (It's In The Guidelines)

Maybe the three people is a bad idea - maybe if three mods recognise the person being abused in a poem could act - its what used to happen

:-)


David!!
I admire the way you responded !

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Blackwolf said:

I feel that could be a good alternative , David , thank you...

However , the Mods , would / must be those with integrity...

Not those with personal vendettas , or leanings in any
particular way , and that in itself is a mouthful to say...

( nothing against the Mods , just honest...we are humans...mostly )


Agreeing with you too often these days

But I do agree, but it would be such a difficult thing to do

maybe we need to replace the mods with newer members not tainted by history
this is not said to disparage the mods but I was a mod once and it is made more difficult if you have a lot of historical baggage. and Maybe term limits should be installedlike - lets say changing them every two years

Just making suggestions of the cuff LOL


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Blackwolf said:If people are too immature to deal with poems directed at them ,
then I feel *that* is a problem...we just have to grow up , and
learn , *not* everyone is going to like us...

Hell , many years ago , when I came here , Johnny wrote a poem
series about witches which I detested , as I am one , and I went
for his poetic throat...

We both got admonished...( I do believe )

Yet , if people can not take / give *some*
ridicule , and endure it with grace , love ,
and / or humor , we have a far bigger problem here...

Look at the world today , especially in the US
political / race scenario , as well as rest of the world...

We do pretty damn good , overall , here at DUP...

I believe *this* could be easily manipulated by three
friends online here , who simply disfavor a particular poet...

"It might be an idea if three independent people complain about a poem being targeted at a specific poet without their name being mentioned and by inference, they know who it is really about then the punishment should be dished out on the poet who wrote it"

I would not go for it...


Agreed B Dub
David also made a good point about the sensitivity for some with mental illness

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Valeriyabeyond said:

Agreed B Dub
David also made a good point about the sensitivity for some with mental illness


I believe this thread , and the one who started it / and those commenting ,
all have many good points raised ; I appreciate the way we are all ( ahem )
"handling ourselves" , and hope we can continue coming to equitable
solutions , that shall benefit us all...

I encourage others here to step forward , with equity , respect , and stability ,
to find our way through the morass we have come to and are finding our
exit from...please , anyone on this site who can add to this discussion , in
a respectful way , step forward NOW...this is our pertinent moment of what
I would call the *Time Of Influence*...

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💪👐🙏
Much respect  BW for such an encouraging msg.

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Vidaxx I have a question concerning the Mods
How many Mods are there, who are the mods ?

Is there a voting system when issues arise
if so is it a two -three person vote or the whole team ?

Which issues do not require the entire team?

Which issues are brought before WebMiss

In an ideal ©Walgreens world the mods job would be damage control not clean up

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Oh No Not Walgreens !

( Forgive Me Viddax )





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Another thing I was thinking about which I tried to suggest a while ago madam lavender and if I remember another member poo-pooed the idea. After consideration, I realised I was wrong in the wat I presented the idea and some of the suggestions I made. I have bo problem admitting bad ideas.

I think one of the biggest problems in DU is personal drama and abuse which blows up on a regular basis. This has been a constant problem since I joined and I learned, well before that. The question is how do we remove personal drama and abusive discussions.

here are my suggestions:

No Personal drama allowed in the public forums
No Personal drama allowed in comments on poetry
No abuse in the public forums (Named or Inferred)
No abuse in comments on poetry
Immediate MOD Action on all infringements
If any member makes an insulting comment in your home space, your request to remove should always be respected
Do not allow group directors to permit this kind of behaviour
The public site, in general, should in the main be one of poetry, and friendly support
Mutual respect should always be shown
If you don't like a person's poetry just stop reading it (No Comment)
If you don't like certain Gernes of poetry, don't read them (No Comment)
The main mission of the site could ve controlled so that it is all about poetry
the guideline should be updated to include the rules about the above


A Private Group requiring separate membership (18+) Could be set up for discussions of more contentious issues
In fact a place for opinions and reasonable arguments and debates
A written adult warning is given on the front-page to join this group
I am sure there are plenty of people who would want to help in this group
it would still have to have rules, maybe based on the current DU guidelines

It would mean that new members and existing members would not be tainted by
by exposure to personal drama or abuse because they would then have to deliberately
join that particular group and be required to tick they have read and understood the description and rules

I think turning this site into a poetry-centric site would be boosted by people joining and staying



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David_Macleod said:
No Personal drama allowed in the public forums
No Personal drama allowed in comments on poetry
No abuse in the public forums (Named or Inferred)
No abuse in comments on poetry
Immediate MOD Action on all infringements
If any member makes an insulting comment in your home space, your request to remove should always be respected
Do not allow group directors to permit this kind of behaviour
The public site, in general, should in the main be one of poetry, and friendly support
Mutual respect should always be shown
If you don't like a person's poetry just stop reading it (No Comment)
If you don't like certain Gernes of poetry, don't read them (No Comment)
The main mission of the site could ve controlled so that it is all about poetry
the guideline should be updated to include the rules about the above


Not *against* this David , my opinion...

Yet , just to police this , we would need at least THREE mods ;

Most people would not follow , or rebel...

You see , if we are to truly work as a poetry site ,
with policed and enforced rules , we need a very
minimum , of 24 very busy mods , daily coming in ,
and noting site content , and very quickly responding to it...

It is rare , now , mods respond quickly...

For me , some do , and for *that* i am very thankful...

Yet most do not...and *that* is sad...

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Then we just take on more Mods maybe we take on mods who have specific remits for specific tasks with new mods specializing in specific tasks. I do agree that we need a lot more mods than we presently do possibly having Mods and Supervisor Mods (SuperMods!)


I am sure many people would be honoured to do it, I know I was

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Both good points fellow poets
There will always be
drama, abuse in forums and abusive comments even with rules in place
It's how they are handled that is the key
It has to be consistent
Mods involvement is important not just when there is a problem
I rather liked it when Lepp would pop in to say hello
IDK what the system is now but it could be

Warning
Follow up warning
Thread locking
Comment edits
Temp ban
Perma ban
Inconsistent moderation widens boundaries
Duplicate comments or postings on two-three threads need to be removed with an invitation to post something relevant

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David_Macleod said:Then we just take on more Mods maybe we take on mods who have specific remits for specific tasks with new mods specializing in specific tasks. I do agree that we need a lot more mods than we presently do possibly having Mods and Supervisor Mods (SuperMods!)


I am sure many people would be honoured to do it, I know I was


Let us see what others say ...

All Right Get The Lead Out Of Your Boots ,
Or Arsenic Out Of Your High Heels , Lime
Out Of Your Sandals , And Stink Out Of
Your Sneakers...

Come right on in , and say what you choose to say...

Or stay the F**king shut up , and suffer when it is over...

Clear ?

Good...glad I was F**king clear !

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