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Trumps Indictment: Historical and Future Implications II

Ahavati
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January 31, 2024
HEATHER COX RICHARDSON
FEB 1, 2024


Stef W. Kight and Zachary Basu of Axios reported tonight that the border measure, on which a bipartisan group of senators have worked for four months, is “on life support” after former president Trump urged his supporters in the House to block it so he can run on the issue. Senators are still holding out hope they can get it through, blaming “misinformation” about the bill, whose text has not yet been released.

The attacks on the measure are revealing the increasing extremism of the Republican Party. Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) appointed Senator James Lankford (R-OK), who is well liked and is known as a calm conservative, to lead negotiations for the party. Suddenly, Lankford finds himself on the side Trump and his followers oppose. Lankford is now under attack from within his own party.

The Republican about-face is also threatening to take down U.S. aid to Ukraine, which is fighting off a Russian invasion. House speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) linked aid to Ukraine to the border deal last November with the argument that the U.S. should not be helping other countries until it helped secure its own border. After Trump’s attack on the border measure, congressional reporter Max Cohen of Punchbowl News reported this afternoon that McConnell has suggested moving ahead with aid for Ukraine.

"It's time to move something,” Cohen reported McConnell saying, “hopefully including a border agreement. But we need to get help to Israel and Ukraine quickly…. There is bipartisan support here in the Senate for both Israel and Ukraine, hopefully at some point we can get them the support they need."

Senator John Cornyn (R-TX) told reporters: “It would be nice to change the status quo on the border, but if there is not the political support to do that, then I think we should proceed with the rest of the supplemental,” referring to the measure that provides funding for Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan, and humanitarian aid to Gaza.  

Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA), a Trump loyalist, has said she would move to overthrow Johnson as speaker if he puts Ukraine funding up for a vote.

Meanwhile, Ukraine is running short of weapons and ammunition.

Tonight, Senator Angus King (I-ME) spoke on the Senate floor about what U.S. refusal to aid Ukraine would mean.

King harked back to the failure of European allies to stop Hitler when it would have been relatively easy. “Whenever people write to my office” asking why we are supporting Ukraine, he said, “I answer, Google Sudetenland, 1938.” “We could have stopped a murderous dictator who was bent on geographic expansion…at a relatively low cost. The result of not doing so was 55 million deaths.”

The upcoming vote on whether to support “the people of Ukraine as they fight for our values,” King said, “will echo throughout the history of this country and the history of the world for generations…. If we back away, walk away, pull out and leave the Ukrainians without the resources to defend themselves, it will compromise the interests of this country for 50 years. It will be viewed as one of the greatest geopolitical mistakes of the 21st century.”

Abandoning Ukraine would embolden Russian president Vladimir Putin, King said. Putin “told us in 2005 that he felt that the greatest catastrophe of the 20th century was the dissolution of the Soviet Union. He has…pursued the remedy to that catastrophe in his eyes ever since…. In 2008 he gobbled up part of what had been an independent country of Georgia. In 2014…Crimea and eastern Ukraine. [In] 2022, he tried for the rest of Ukraine.”

People say Putin will stop with Ukraine, King said, but “the Finns don't think so. The Swedes don't think so. The Baltic countries don't think so, and the Finns and the Swedes know Russia.”

“Maya Angelou once said if someone tells you who they are, you should believe them,” King said. “Putin has told us who he is. He’s an autocrat. He’s an authoritarian. And he wants to rebuild the Soviet Union. And I believe he wouldn't stop there….  We have to take him at his word…. He despises the west. He thinks NATO is an aggressive alliance, somehow designed to invade or otherwise threaten Russia. NATO doesn't want to invade Russia. NATO wants to keep the lines where they are.” King noted that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was “the first crossing of a border of this nature since World War II.”

“[W]hat we're looking at here,” King said, “is…the struggle between the idea of democracy and the rule of law and authoritarianism and totalitarianism…. Ukraine is the opening wedge in that…conflict.” Turning away from Ukraine would embolden Putin, King said, but not only Putin. “[I]f we cut and run in Ukraine, that will change Xi Jinping's calculus about Taiwan. He's going to say well, the Americans aren't going to stick. We don't have to worry too much about them helping the Taiwanese defend themselves.”

King, who sits on the Senate Intelligence Committee, identified the centerpiece of U.S. foreign policy and warned what is at stake if the U.S. abandons Ukraine. “Our asymmetric advantage in the world right now is allies,” King said. “China has customers. We have allies…. But our allies are going to say well, wait a minute. You’re with us now but when the going gets tough and you have to maybe have a budget supplemental to stick with us, you're going to walk away. It's going to undermine the confidence of our allies, and in places like Japan and South Korea, they may say we can't count on the Americans to defend us.”

If we abandon Ukraine, he said, we will have destroyed “our ability to negotiate and make deals in the future. Who the heck is going to deal with us if they know we can't be trusted?.... What an…incredible…self-inflicted wound on this country.” King recalled that in the 1780s, France had stood with the fledgling U.S. even as the Revolutionary War dragged on, and noted that “[t]here’s a reasonable chance we wouldn't be the United States of America today, if our ally had walked away…. The whole idea of an alliance is that you can count on somebody when the times are tough. We're sending ammunition. They're sending lives.”

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Cont from above

Addressing right-wing talking points about aid to Ukraine, King said that U.S. aid to Ukraine is “one of the best and strongest and most closely accounted for provisions of aid ever” and that “the idea that nobody else is contributing and Europe isn't doing its part is just bunk.” Europe has given far more to Ukraine than the U.S. as a percentage of the wealth each country produces, he said, and other countries have also taken in millions of refugees.

“[D]emocracy matters,” King said. “Values matter. Freedom of expression, the rule of law matter, and that’s what’s at stake…. This is a historic struggle between authoritarianism, arbitrariness, surveillance, and the radical idea that people can govern themselves. That's what this is all about. This is a battle for the soul of our democracy in the world…. It's worth fighting for. And in this case we don't even have to do the fighting. We just have to supply the arms and ammunition.”

“I have a question for my colleagues,” King said. “When the history of this day is written, as it surely will be, do you really want to be recorded as being on the side of Vladimir Putin?... Or on the side of China, as they contemplate the invasion of Taiwan…. [H]istory's going to record this vote as one of the most important votes that any of us have ever made.”

For his part, King said, “I want to stand on the side of resisting authoritarianism, on the side of democracy, on the side of the values that the country has stood for and that people have been fighting for 250 years.”



Notes: https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/january-31-2024

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This should be required reading for all who love this country, who treasure freedom and democracy. The extent of the madness is stunning. This country is smack dab in the midst of an ongoing psychotic break led by the primary vector of insanity, DJT. To be alive at this time, to observe nominal Christians fall in line with a repurposed Judas Iscariot, a Barabbas able to cast a spell and a net wide enough to entrap huge swathes of the country wherein they choose the huckster Barabbas over the teachings of Jesus? Never thought I would live to see it happen. We are living in Historical Times. This era will be spoken of for generations to follow--unless, of course, MAGA wins. And even then it will be the MAGAized verson wherein the AntiChrist will be taught as the Second Coming of Donald J. Trump, the (choke, gasp, sputter) *real* Mess-iah.

Weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth to follow.

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I'm not sure what to make of Biden -- well, he's not in charge, the Military-Industrial-Banking Complex is.

The quote is by Biden on 1st June, 2020 (assuming it's a trusted news source).

Has the current administration had Congressional approval for its current military actions in the Middle East? And why does America have Military bases in Syria & Jordan anyway (wouldn't that qualify as an occupying force)? Are either Syria or Jordan going to attack America? (for America's resources? or to spread democracy or theocracy in America)?

Over 10 years ago General Wesley Clarke said America was planning to invade seven Middle eastern countries, with I think Iran last on the list as the only one of the seven not yet invaded:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWxKn-1S8ts


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Mrd said:This should be required reading for all who love this country, who treasure freedom and democracy. The extent of the madness is stunning. This country is smack dab in the midst of an ongoing psychotic break led by the primary vector of insanity, DJT. To be alive at this time, to observe nominal Christians fall in line with a repurposed Judas Iscariot, a Barabbas able to cast a spell and a net wide enough to entrap huge swathes of the country wherein they choose the huckster Barabbas over the teachings of Jesus? Never thought I would live to see it happen. We are living in Historical Times. This era will be spoken of for generations to follow--unless, of course, MAGA wins. And even then it will be the MAGAized verson wherein the AntiChrist will be taught as the Second Coming of Donald J. Trump, the (choke, gasp, sputter) *real* Mess-iah.

Weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth to follow.


We may just have to wash our hands before the multitude. . .

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Josh said:I'm not sure what to make of Biden -- well, he's not in charge, the Military-Industrial-Banking Complex is.

The quote is by Biden on 1st June, 2020 (assuming it's a trusted news source).

Has the current administration had Congressional approval for its current military actions in the Middle East? And why does America have Military bases in Syria & Jordan anyway (wouldn't that qualify as an occupying force)? Are either Syria or Jordan going to attack America? (for America's resources? or to spread democracy or theocracy in America)?

Over 10 years ago General Wesley Clarke said America was planning to invade seven Middle eastern countries, with I think Iran last on the list as the only one of the seven not yet invaded:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWxKn-1S8ts



The quote is accurate; Biden did say that; however, I was unaware that he has attacked Iran without congressional approval? I'm very selective of my news sources; you are aware of this.

As to the bases, the one in Syria was built due to the combat with ISIS? I couldn't tell you the year, but it's been roughly a decade ( I think ). The one in Jordon is at least two decades old and had something to do with Iraq. All I remember is that it was originally a Jordanian border outpost but became and American-manned ( perhaps jointly with Jordan, not sure ) base due to the rising conflict in Syria.

Don't quote me on any of the above. It's all from memory and I'd rather not spend my time researching it. I wouldn't consider the establishment of these U.S. bases an "invasion". What Putin is doing to Ukraine is an "invasion".

Edit: Here, took me a minute to find this. It's a couple of years old. At the time there was a defense agreement signed many years ago between Amman and Washington. However, what’s not known is whether anyone who signed the agreement has the right to cancel it before it expires in a year.

We also know there are military agreements which have always been in place, especially during the global war on terror. Yet this war on terror has benefited the Jordanian forces in the form of joint training, weapons and military support officially reported to be equal to $1 billion a year in addition to $700 million in direct support to the Jordanian treasury.

And speaking of American bases in Jordan, it’s no secret that we are seeing foreign troops stationed in Arab countries pursuant to defense agreements or for the purpose of joint training.

That's one expensive "invasion" benefitted the invaded!

https://watchingamerica.com/WA/2021/07/29/the-story-of-american-bases-in-jordan/#:~:text=Still%2C%20it%20has%20raised%20questions%20about%20the%20defense,Syria%2C%20without%20any%20agreement%20or%20request%20for%20permission.

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Ahavati said:

We may just have to wash our hands before the multitude. . .



As did Pontius P.

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Billy_Snagg said:Ok then... if NONE of these politicians care about us (your words) why does that make TRUMP so great, in your eyes? I agree, Biden bumbles & trips over somewhat. He hasn't really got the energy for the job anymore. What's scary, in my view, is that there doesn't seem to be a credible candidate on either side that could punch through all the garbage of yesteryear. I always believed politicians represented the people, rather than themselves. Regarding your gun argument, that works both ways... i.e, if everyone's getting rid of their guns, maybe you should too!

All of those illegals coming here, arent a mistake....its an army...and they wont be helping the American people. Just watch and see....ww3 is on the brink. I pray for all of us. Its serious. We have congress idiots that actually WANT Hamas here in the USA.  thats ridiculous. Our own leaders are selling out what True America really is. And for what?  Its for money and power.

Why would any sane, and I stress sane, (insane people are killing the innocent, but its the persons fault, not the weapon)  person actually voluntarily give up their firearm in todays world is beyond comprehension.  Theres no logical answer....guns dont kill people, people do. Period. Yes the laws need to change, but they wont. Just like drugs. That war will never end either....ever...the dark underbelly of our country is too powerful to allow this happen. Hence a life long battle. Once again, its all about money and power.

Its a fact that our country was doing WAY better under Trump. The border for one, and the basic costs of living, also there wasnt a ww3 threat either. If you honestly believe youre safe, thats even scarier than whats going on and whats to come under this ridiculous administration. Its a shitshow for sure, and were all about to find out soon enough. And its not going to be good.


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mysteriouslady said:

All of those illegals coming here, arent a mistake....its an army...and they wont be helping the American people. Just watch and see....ww3 is on the brink. I pray for all of us. Its serious. We have congress idiots that actually WANT Hamas here in the USA.  thats ridiculous. Our own leaders are selling out us all out as we type.  Good luck to all of us.....
And why would you actually voluntarily give u your firearm?  Theres no logical answer....
The logical answer is to build the wall a little higher, I would have thought, lol. You do realise one can simply just 'swim around' the border at Tijuana near San Diego, right?

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Billy_Snagg said:The logical answer is to build the wall a little higher, I would have thought, lol. You do realise one can simply just 'swim around' the border at Tijuana near San Diego, right?

Where did I mention a wall?  lol   Of course they can, hence the terminology "wet back" or they can just drive up in boats, walk across, be bussed in by the thousands by those that claim they love our country and are in charge.....fuck, they can just parachute in....Im shocked we havent seen that yet, (cue links and quotes that are miles long) ....Im just saying this is a serious crisis right now. And if you are for this invasion, maybe open your home to all of these illegals. Please post the videos though Inquiring minds....you know....

As for my quoting terminology "wet back"  I mean ZERO disrespect to anyone. Im 50/50 Polish/Italian...some of my family still to this day, doesnt speak English....So theres a fact about me you all know now....


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the Second Coming of Donald J. Trump,

Finally, exactly what the US of A needs!  

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Mysterious Lady:  Yes, it's a serious crisis at the border. Most people recognize that, even the low-information types. What I find interesting of late is the rejection by the House (at the direction of DJT) of a Senate bill which would give the MAGAites a great deal of what they allegedly want. But Trump wants to save it as a political issue he can continue to use against Biden which surely exposes him as the lowlife he is.

I've read some of your poetry and it's clear you're an intelligent and caring person, so what happened to you? How can you not see the danger DJT poses to the country, Europe, the world? I mean no disrespect, but Jeez-Louise!

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Mrd said:Mysterious Lady:  Yes, it's a serious crisis at the border. Most people recognize that, even the low-information types. What I find interesting of late is the rejection by the House (at the direction of DJT) of a Senate bill which would give the MAGAites a great deal of what they allegedly want. But Trump wants to save it as a political issue he can continue to use against Biden which surely exposes him as the lowlife he is.

I've read some of your poetry and it's clear you're an intelligent and caring person, so what happened to you? How can you not see the danger DJT poses to the country, Europe, the world? I mean no disrespect, but Jeez-Louise!


Lets leave poor Lousie out of this, shes innocent.

How can you not see the danger of this fool we have in charge?  Him and those that control him are literally going to cause ww3 and none of them give a shit about you nor yours. Not a second thought.

And that was a little disrespectful, however Its ok. I get it. And totally understand. Its not your fault. Your just brainwashed. Like the rest. I see facts and see whats happening around me with real people, real lives, not just ridiculously long quotes,  totally one sided links, and from those that would make you and yours disappear in a nano second if it added to their bank accounts....

So to answer you question, "what happened to you"
My answer is real life did...whats your excuse?
Until something bad happens to you, you think youre invincible....only time will tell...





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Mrd said:This should be required reading for all who love this country, who treasure freedom and democracy. The extent of the madness is stunning. This country is smack dab in the midst of an ongoing psychotic break led by the primary vector of insanity, DJT. To be alive at this time, to observe nominal Christians fall in line with a repurposed Judas Iscariot, a Barabbas able to cast a spell and a net wide enough to entrap huge swathes of the country wherein they choose the huckster Barabbas over the teachings of Jesus? Never thought I would live to see it happen. We are living in Historical Times. This era will be spoken of for generations to follow--unless, of course, MAGA wins. And even then it will be the MAGAized verson wherein the AntiChrist will be taught as the Second Coming of Donald J. Trump, the (choke, gasp, sputter) *real* Mess-iah.

Weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth to follow.


Yes, the Beiden era....the one that destroyed YOUR democracy, not mine...

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