Trumps Indictment: Historical and Future Implications II
Rew said:[ . . . ]
The point of me bringing this up is Is law & order winning? Is democracy winning?
Ivanka trump escaped the recent N.Y.C fraud trial by the skin of her teeth. Can I hope that the rest of these thieves are going to be bankrupt?
I would like to think democracy is winning, and think it's a shame that people are afraid to believe it is because of the blatant piracy it's undergone in the last decade. Here is some good news that wasn't mentioned in Heather's letter:
Donald Trump found liable for fraud in New York civil case
By Jonathan Stempel and Karen Freifeld
The scathing decision by Justice Arthur Engoron of New York state court in Manhattan will make it easier for state Attorney General Letitia James to establish damages at a scheduled Oct. 2 trial.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/judge-finds-trump-liable-fraud-new-york-civil-case-2023-09-26/
Trump’s biggest mistake was re-running ( or maybe simply running ) for president. He could have lived out his life of white-collar criminality without anyone giving two-shits. I mean, did they before? Nope. The ego is the greatest downfall, but it was written millenniums ago that "Pride cometh before a fall".
The point of me bringing this up is Is law & order winning? Is democracy winning?
Ivanka trump escaped the recent N.Y.C fraud trial by the skin of her teeth. Can I hope that the rest of these thieves are going to be bankrupt?
I would like to think democracy is winning, and think it's a shame that people are afraid to believe it is because of the blatant piracy it's undergone in the last decade. Here is some good news that wasn't mentioned in Heather's letter:
Donald Trump found liable for fraud in New York civil case
By Jonathan Stempel and Karen Freifeld
The scathing decision by Justice Arthur Engoron of New York state court in Manhattan will make it easier for state Attorney General Letitia James to establish damages at a scheduled Oct. 2 trial.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/judge-finds-trump-liable-fraud-new-york-civil-case-2023-09-26/
Trump’s biggest mistake was re-running ( or maybe simply running ) for president. He could have lived out his life of white-collar criminality without anyone giving two-shits. I mean, did they before? Nope. The ego is the greatest downfall, but it was written millenniums ago that "Pride cometh before a fall".
" Trump’s biggest mistake was re-running ( or maybe simply running ) for president. He could have lived out his life of white-collar criminality without anyone giving two-shits."
Well said. Indeed they could've done just that instead they bleat on that they " did no harm to ' anyone ' " That is their collective defence
Well said. Indeed they could've done just that instead they bleat on that they " did no harm to ' anyone ' " That is their collective defence
I remember something Howard Hughs said once, when asked how much money would be enough to satisfy him. He replied, "Just a little bit more." That's Trump: the power-hungry are never satisfied and always want more.
He was dealt another blow today:
Judge Chutkan denies Trump’s request to recuse herself in federal election subversion case
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/judge-chutkan-denies-trump-s-request-to-recuse-herself-in-federal-election-subversion-case/ar-AA1hmvE2?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=891bee725ea340c29b8bb2f22ede4329&ei=29#image=1
He was dealt another blow today:
Judge Chutkan denies Trump’s request to recuse herself in federal election subversion case
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/judge-chutkan-denies-trump-s-request-to-recuse-herself-in-federal-election-subversion-case/ar-AA1hmvE2?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=891bee725ea340c29b8bb2f22ede4329&ei=29#image=1
Rew said:Just a tiny, itsy bitsy reminder to the world of what trump was capable of doing under the disguise of law & order
" Peaceful Protesters Tear-Gassed To Clear Way For Trump Church Photo-Op "
And to Carpe_Noctem
trump is a sex offender. That isn't my opinion that's a proven fact.
Then show that proof...
The mayor of DC teargassed the crowd. An actual proven fact but not repeated on NPR or pedophile CNN.
As far as facts go rather than op ed news articles that make up this entire thread....
Your boy Biden voted pro segregationist in the 70s as a dixiecrat Senator...
Quote, "Little black kids and little white kids can't ride on the same bus because it will be a racial jungle"
This is not from an opinion piece from MSNBC but rather was spoken on the Senate floor and thus is part of the congressional record.
Several years later Biden and Hillary both eulogized democrat Senator "Klansman" Byrd who filibustered against the '64 civil rights act....as their MENTOR on the Capitol steps in front of cameras...
This is congressional documented proof that all Biden supporters are segregation supporters
The box load of video showing Biden sniffing kids and talking inappropriate to children as well as emails from Hunter calling him "pedo"...are simply irrelevant to Democrats that daily push to sexualize children as they project their evil upon Republicans...
"Accuse your opponent of that which you are guilty"-Joseph Geobbels...a major fan of the Jim Crow Democrats.
" Peaceful Protesters Tear-Gassed To Clear Way For Trump Church Photo-Op "
And to Carpe_Noctem
trump is a sex offender. That isn't my opinion that's a proven fact.
Then show that proof...
The mayor of DC teargassed the crowd. An actual proven fact but not repeated on NPR or pedophile CNN.
As far as facts go rather than op ed news articles that make up this entire thread....
Your boy Biden voted pro segregationist in the 70s as a dixiecrat Senator...
Quote, "Little black kids and little white kids can't ride on the same bus because it will be a racial jungle"
This is not from an opinion piece from MSNBC but rather was spoken on the Senate floor and thus is part of the congressional record.
Several years later Biden and Hillary both eulogized democrat Senator "Klansman" Byrd who filibustered against the '64 civil rights act....as their MENTOR on the Capitol steps in front of cameras...
This is congressional documented proof that all Biden supporters are segregation supporters
The box load of video showing Biden sniffing kids and talking inappropriate to children as well as emails from Hunter calling him "pedo"...are simply irrelevant to Democrats that daily push to sexualize children as they project their evil upon Republicans...
"Accuse your opponent of that which you are guilty"-Joseph Geobbels...a major fan of the Jim Crow Democrats.
WTF? I am totally lost here.
September 27, 2023
Exactly a week ago, Jake Sherman of Punchbowl News reported that Republican House leaders were talking about moving the government funding debate away from spending levels—their original complaint—to border security. “[T]he vast majority of House R[epublican]s,” Sherman wrote, “would rather fight on border policy than spending.”
True to form, party leaders today began to insist that we are barreling toward a shutdown because of President Joe Biden’s policies on the southern border. House speaker Kevin McCarthy says he wants to meet with Biden to “cut a deal.”
But, of course, McCarthy already cut a deal with Biden, back in May, that provided a clear roadmap for this year’s funding. McCarthy is refusing to honor that deal.
The Republicans’ willingness to invent a new reason for their threatened government shutdown suggests it was never about principle so much as about power. They are quite aware that the cuts the extremists are proposing before they will agree to fund the government are unpopular, so they have manufactured another reason for the shutdown that they hope will be more palatable to the country.
At any point, McCarthy could agree to work with the Democrats to pass the 12 appropriations bills that will fund the government. Last night, by a vote of 77–19, the Senate illustrated how that could be done by passing a bipartisan continuing resolution to fund the government through November 17 and to provide additional funding for Ukraine.
Today, McCarthy told Republican House members that he would not bring the Senate’s measure up for a vote. Instead, he will continue to court the extremists, who spent the day posturing. At the motion of Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA), for example, they voted to reduce Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin’s salary to $1 a year. They went on to pass a number of similarly extreme measures that will never make it through the Senate.
House minority leader Representative Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) accused Republicans of using the threat of a shutdown “to jam your right-wing ideology down the throats of the American people.” The bills they were advancing, he said, had “zero chance of becoming law…. And they’re filled with extreme policy poison pills.”
For all that McCarthy is trying to pin the blame for a shutdown on the Democrats, it is the House Republicans who are refusing to perform the most basic of government procedures: fund the government for the next year. When Republicans have shut down the government in the past, the American people blamed them for it, and today Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) called out his House colleagues, clearly trying to isolate them, likely hoping to keep them from tainting the whole party in the eyes of voters before the 2024 election.
McConnell called out his colleagues on their new switch to complain about border security: “A vote against a standard short-term funding measure is a vote against paying over $1 billion in salary for Border Patrol and ICE agents working to track down lethal fentanyl and tame our open borders. Shutting down the government isn’t an effective way to make a point,” he said.
The 2024 election was also on former president Trump’s mind today. He was in Michigan tonight to try to draw attention away from the Republican primary debate that he refused to attend. But while President Biden yesterday visited the United Auto Workers picket line, Trump visited a non-union shop and talked about a future “fueled by American energy” and “built by highly skilled American hands and high-wage American labor.” As Craig Mauger of the Detroit News noted, however, “his address was short on specifics for how he would accomplish the goals.”
Trump told the crowd to get the UAW to support him, but the UAW doesn’t represent the workforce where he was speaking. Mauger noted that one woman holding a “union members for Trump” sign acknowledged she wasn’t a union member, while a man with a sign that said “auto workers for Trump” said he wasn’t an autoworker. The plant where Trump was speaking employs about 150 people, but 400–500 Trump supporters were there for his speech.
Yesterday, UAW president Shawn Fain said, “I find it odd he’s going to go to a non-union business to talk to union workers. I don’t think he gets it.” [ LMFAO ]
HEATHER COX RICHARDSON
POSTED SEP 28, 2023
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Notes: https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/september-27-2023
September 27, 2023
Exactly a week ago, Jake Sherman of Punchbowl News reported that Republican House leaders were talking about moving the government funding debate away from spending levels—their original complaint—to border security. “[T]he vast majority of House R[epublican]s,” Sherman wrote, “would rather fight on border policy than spending.”
True to form, party leaders today began to insist that we are barreling toward a shutdown because of President Joe Biden’s policies on the southern border. House speaker Kevin McCarthy says he wants to meet with Biden to “cut a deal.”
But, of course, McCarthy already cut a deal with Biden, back in May, that provided a clear roadmap for this year’s funding. McCarthy is refusing to honor that deal.
The Republicans’ willingness to invent a new reason for their threatened government shutdown suggests it was never about principle so much as about power. They are quite aware that the cuts the extremists are proposing before they will agree to fund the government are unpopular, so they have manufactured another reason for the shutdown that they hope will be more palatable to the country.
At any point, McCarthy could agree to work with the Democrats to pass the 12 appropriations bills that will fund the government. Last night, by a vote of 77–19, the Senate illustrated how that could be done by passing a bipartisan continuing resolution to fund the government through November 17 and to provide additional funding for Ukraine.
Today, McCarthy told Republican House members that he would not bring the Senate’s measure up for a vote. Instead, he will continue to court the extremists, who spent the day posturing. At the motion of Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA), for example, they voted to reduce Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin’s salary to $1 a year. They went on to pass a number of similarly extreme measures that will never make it through the Senate.
House minority leader Representative Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) accused Republicans of using the threat of a shutdown “to jam your right-wing ideology down the throats of the American people.” The bills they were advancing, he said, had “zero chance of becoming law…. And they’re filled with extreme policy poison pills.”
For all that McCarthy is trying to pin the blame for a shutdown on the Democrats, it is the House Republicans who are refusing to perform the most basic of government procedures: fund the government for the next year. When Republicans have shut down the government in the past, the American people blamed them for it, and today Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) called out his House colleagues, clearly trying to isolate them, likely hoping to keep them from tainting the whole party in the eyes of voters before the 2024 election.
McConnell called out his colleagues on their new switch to complain about border security: “A vote against a standard short-term funding measure is a vote against paying over $1 billion in salary for Border Patrol and ICE agents working to track down lethal fentanyl and tame our open borders. Shutting down the government isn’t an effective way to make a point,” he said.
The 2024 election was also on former president Trump’s mind today. He was in Michigan tonight to try to draw attention away from the Republican primary debate that he refused to attend. But while President Biden yesterday visited the United Auto Workers picket line, Trump visited a non-union shop and talked about a future “fueled by American energy” and “built by highly skilled American hands and high-wage American labor.” As Craig Mauger of the Detroit News noted, however, “his address was short on specifics for how he would accomplish the goals.”
Trump told the crowd to get the UAW to support him, but the UAW doesn’t represent the workforce where he was speaking. Mauger noted that one woman holding a “union members for Trump” sign acknowledged she wasn’t a union member, while a man with a sign that said “auto workers for Trump” said he wasn’t an autoworker. The plant where Trump was speaking employs about 150 people, but 400–500 Trump supporters were there for his speech.
Yesterday, UAW president Shawn Fain said, “I find it odd he’s going to go to a non-union business to talk to union workers. I don’t think he gets it.” [ LMFAO ]
HEATHER COX RICHARDSON
POSTED SEP 28, 2023
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Notes: https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/september-27-2023
My WTF moment: The federal minimum wage in the US is $7.25 per hour ( but some states have higher rates or different rules for tipped workers ). How in the heck can anyone's salary be reduced under the federal minimum wage? Postering indeed.
robert43041 said:How can anyone even ''live'' in these conditions? Just a simple hot-dog costs more than that.
I agree with you; inflation is out of control. However, my point was how can the House of Representatives pass a law that violates another law, i.e. - the minimum wage law? I am looking into this because I am totally flabbergasted and lost. I thought I had a modicum of understanding the political structure here in the U.S. I was wrong.
I agree with you; inflation is out of control. However, my point was how can the House of Representatives pass a law that violates another law, i.e. - the minimum wage law? I am looking into this because I am totally flabbergasted and lost. I thought I had a modicum of understanding the political structure here in the U.S. I was wrong.
Okay, it's the "Holman rule" and it applies to federal employees or programs only. It still makes no sense to me. You shouldn't be able to reduce someone's salary below the federally required minimum wage for any reason. Just fire them if you're unhappy.
The Holman rule was originated by William S. Holman of Indiana in 1876. It is a rule in the United States House of Representatives that allows amendments to appropriations legislation that would reduce the salary of or fire specific federal employees, or cut a specific program. Versions of the rule were in effect during 1876–1895 and again during 1911–1983. It was reinstated for the Republican-controlled 115th Congress during 2017–2019, and several amendments were proposed that progressed to a vote of the full House, but none were adopted. The rule was rescinded once more at the beginning of the 116th Congress upon Democrats taking control of the chamber, and was restored once Republicans retook the House majority for the 118th Congress in 2023.
The Holman rule was originated by William S. Holman of Indiana in 1876. It is a rule in the United States House of Representatives that allows amendments to appropriations legislation that would reduce the salary of or fire specific federal employees, or cut a specific program. Versions of the rule were in effect during 1876–1895 and again during 1911–1983. It was reinstated for the Republican-controlled 115th Congress during 2017–2019, and several amendments were proposed that progressed to a vote of the full House, but none were adopted. The rule was rescinded once more at the beginning of the 116th Congress upon Democrats taking control of the chamber, and was restored once Republicans retook the House majority for the 118th Congress in 2023.
When Democrats and Republicans could actually work together. I liked McCain personally, but Sarah Palin killed his chances of being elected.
https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/september-28-2023
https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/september-28-2023
