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Western forces are playing this incredibly callously. They could supply the arms and technologies to stop this war today, and they are also completely aware of the deal Ukraine would take if there were genuine peace talks.

The west (US led) are making a conscious decision to give Ukraine only enough weapons/weapons systems to keep total Russian forces at bay, specifically with the aim of doing multi-generational harm to Russia.

A reminder about all the talk about how bad the Russian army is…Russia still has huge resources they can bring to bear, and a further reminder they are not yet on a war footing. Moving to a war footing means diverting your entire internal manpower and manufacturing base to the war effort. Doing this would be a massive shift in their abilities. Their strategy is clear and simple…the early and hard tank assault has failed due to an underestimation of modern shoulder-mounted weapons (modernish anyway), so they are now moving to their standard doctrine of heavy artillery bombardment. Shells and big guns are pretty cheap and they can make both internally. That’s now the playbook and it will work.

The west is hoping to crush Russia, as well as get regime change. What they haven’t successfully predicted is the strength of the Rouble, and the oil/energy crisis the planet is facing (supply, refining and storage are all in serious trouble). Russian foreign income has gone up since the start of the conflict, and it’s hard to see how Europe can come off their energy needs from
Russia at speed. European wishfull thinking like signing energy deals is just that, as they don’t have the shipping/handling infrastructure for alternate energy sources like LNG.

Long term, European countries and the world in general are going through a massive armaments build-up using Russian and Chinese tensions as their excuse. I think it’s true that many see the coming resource shortages and the associated refugee crisis as the real threats and that’s what’s really being armed-up for. In the next 50 years huge parts of the planet will face lack of water and food, general environmental degradation and general resource shortages. Something like 1 billion people will get on the move as refugees. Arms will be used to protect borders and resources.

China is currently undergoing a run on their banks, and large amounts of civil unrest, which is why the Chinese government is so aggressive with foreign countries, as an attempt to divert attention internally to outside enemies. Medium term China will push harder to try to secure access to resources, especially energy. Taiwan will fall, and the west will capitulate on their protection promise. Expect a Pacific war in less than 5 years with a 70% probability  (source is US Pacific fleet projections on US/China tensions….self-fulfilling).

We are entering a new period. It will be based on energy and resource scarcity, will divide the planet in to trading blocks much more strongly, and will involve significant starvation and war. This is the start.

The Russian conflict only has three outcomes, plus two side options. Ukraine is completely destroyed and becomes Russian. Ukraine is almost destroyed, and becomes a vassal state. Ukraine is almost destroyed, and gives up massive territory, but remains a state (in name only). The other two options are Putin dies and the very dangerous moment of a power vacuum is resolved by a leader or party who does a deal to buy out of the war, or more likely the world is dragged in to a world war and 1/3 of the world’s population dies.

Nuclear war not discussed. Even the Russians using a battlefield nuke (which is in their doctrine and they do have armaments for) would be unlikely to provoke a western nuclear response.

The next two years is going to be bad…and our luckiest outcome would be if it improves after that. The almost certain outcome is however increasing global instability and war/famine.

Plant food. Make a plan.

(Side note….yes this war is the West’s fault. Over 20 years the west has consistently not acted on one Russian act of aggression after another. Obama even said “don’t cross this line” the Russia did and there were no consequences. That weakness of resolve lead Putin to conclude he could act with impunity. This will be interpreted in the future as a situation the way created through their own inaction)

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Putin considers himself heir to Peter the Great!

"You might think he was fighting with Sweden, seizing their lands," Mr Putin said, referring to the Northern Wars which Peter launched at the turn of the 18th Century as he forged a new Russian Empire. "But he seized nothing; he reclaimed it!" he said, arguing that Slavs had lived in the area for centuries. "It seems it has fallen to us, too, to reclaim and strengthen," Mr Putin concluded, with a near-smirk that left no doubt he was referring to Ukraine and his aims there. Peter's rule, he suggested, was proof that expanding Russia had strengthened it.

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you might have noticed a marked scale down of the coverage from Ukraine, was nearly 22 minutes into sky news before Ukraine was mentioned and at that it was about a 200% increase of people looking up Ukraine escorts


the war is lost. Russia won, simple

who else won?

NATO got 2 more members states west of Russia

USA won

Gazprom won

Shell won

Tesco won

Walmart won

stock holders won

arms dealers won

etc

who lost ?


everyone else whether we realize it or not

*free press lost *  



it's been surreal reading carbon copies of the western narrative. Putin the devil blah blah. look at your own leaders, your own parliaments and their dealings

Australian army committed war crimes in Africa, raped civilians. true story, 5 years old

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-54996581


Brittish army have been committing war crimes since the brittish army was born

American army  .. where do you start with then ?


international law etc

such bulshit, these threads are bare of actual war crimes happening in front t of your eyes for decades.nobody spoke up. it's almost taboo to mention it

it was taboo to mention  the plight of African Americans 5 years ago  ...till it became cool

UK have already renaged on the treaty made with Europe.


wake the fuck up

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Because ukraine news happens 22 minutes in
That means russia won.
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTdETN8kw/?k=1

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rabbitquest said:Because ukraine news happens 22 minutes in
That means russia won.
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTdETN8kw/?k=1



more or less. that's how I see it. how do you see it ? use your words man, tic toc is a Chinee weapon

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/economy/2022/05/07/oil-company-record-profits-2022/9686761002/

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lepperochan said:


more or less. that's how I see it. how do you see it ? use your words man, tic toc is a Chinee weapon

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/economy/2022/05/07/oil-company-record-profits-2022/9686761002/


And the west is set to fall
Pride month goeth before that one

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lepperochan said:you might have noticed a marked scale down of the coverage from Ukraine, was nearly 22 minutes into sky news before Ukraine was mentioned and at that it was about a 200% increase of people looking up Ukraine escorts


the war is lost. Russia won, simple

who else won?

NATO got 2 more members states west of Russia

USA won

Gazprom won

Shell won

Tesco won

Walmart won

stock holders won

arms dealers won

etc

who lost ?


everyone else whether we realize it or not

*free press lost *  



it's been surreal reading carbon copies of the western narrative. Putin the devil blah blah. look at your own leaders, your own parliaments and their dealings

Australian army committed war crimes in Africa, raped civilians. true story, 5 years old

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-54996581


Brittish army have been committing war crimes since the brittish army was born

American army  .. where do you start with then ?


international law etc

such bulshit, these threads are bare of actual war crimes happening in front t of your eyes for decades.nobody spoke up. it's almost taboo to mention it

it was taboo to mention  the plight of African Americans 5 years ago  ...till it became cool

UK have already renaged on the treaty made with Europe.


wake the fuck up


Did the holocaust even happen as it was told

Whom can you not criticise?

Bolshevik love starving people
historical fact

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Carpe_Noctem said:

Did the holocaust even happen as it was told

Whom can you not criticise?

Bolshevik love starving people
historical fact



1845 -1849  genocide of 50% of the Irish population. don't talk to me about starving people. I can show you the list of foods leaving g Ireland in brittish ships while the people starved to death. ate grass because all the food was taken

fuck the Russians, the west is just as brutal.




https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1997/09/27/the-irish-famine-complicity-in-murder/5a155118-3620-4145-951e-0dc46933b84a/

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lepperochan said:


1845 -1849  genocide of 50% of the Irish population. don't talk to me about starving people. I can show you the list of foods leaving g Ireland in brittish ships while the people starved to death. ate grass because all the food was taken

fuck the Russians, the west is just as brutal.




https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1997/09/27/the-irish-famine-complicity-in-murder/5a155118-3620-4145-951e-0dc46933b84a/


It's a rich man's game and you ain't in that fuckin club.
After all just another white nigger

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My phone is also made in china

Ukraine nightly update... Russia is down to using t-62 tanks

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTdorp11x/?k=1

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And this one is for the Gaeilge
(Irish famine explained)

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTdohUHDT/?k=1

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rabbitquest said:And this one is for the Gaeilge
(Irish famine explained)

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTdohUHDT/?k=1


I appreciate the gesture, if that kid can can get people interested enough look further into those events (there was some hundreds of thousands of children 'relocated' to Australia and other colonies to help populate

and there were also some hundreds of thousands of men taken as slaves around the same era

terms of the war Ukrainian forces are retreating from Donbas. it's important to remember President Zelensky declared war on Donbas in 2019. you should have a look at the press conference at which it was announced. look at his language

have a look at the Minsk agreement Ukraine signed up to but never implemented and to be fair was never pressured to effectively by the other signatories aligned to the then Ukrainian administration


they are all important components to understanding or at least partly understanding why there is a war and who are the players within it


what I found very interesting about the coverage of the war and how spin was spun. I'll give you an example.

mass Graves


it was reported with much  ..aggression? Russia was suspected of burying dead civilians into mass Graves. there was much disgust and uproar at the very idea

some weeks later it was reported the Russian army were leaving dead civilians on the roads and streets

there was much uproar and disgust

some weeks ago it was reported the Ukrainian army had to Barry dead civilians in mass Graves. there was much sadness and empathy and support

you could probably be sure the same kind of spin occurs on the Russian side. war needs the support of the people or conscription

I view all sides in this war with contempt. I feel they are all complicit in something which needn't have happened and consequently have the blood of all casualties on their hands



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Obama put the Ukrainian biolabs in place his first term. The money laundering and sex trade through this country by D.C. elites is the singular cause the current Washington regime is ACTING like they care about a Putin border invasion. Protecting their money train and concealing their crimes is the only reason for the congressional and media spin on this supposed Ukrainian ally. Zelensky will be fine in his multi million dollar home in Florida no matter how the war ends. The actual president, before the voter fraud coup, was put thru a sham impeachment attempt because he was close to exposing their crimes. Biden's administration is current blocking the congressional mandated yearly audit of money sent to Afghanistan. More than 156 billion dollars has been sent to Afghanistan in the last two decades. Now that money has no chain of evidence since Biden is illegally preventing the investigators. But nothing to see here. I am sure the pedophile, segregationist has his reasons. Just like all the anti Trump, Biden sycophants on this site that worshiped the ground he tripped on for a year now have their reasons for being strangely quiet about this presidential usurper...

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"worshipped the ground he tripped on"  haha 😄

                     - the bike he fell off
                     - the stairs he fell up


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lepperochan said:"worshipped the ground he tripped on"  haha 😄

                     - the bike he fell off
                     - the stairs he fell up



It is too easy to make fun of the old dixiecrat. But the info from his daughter talking about taking showers together enrages me so much because if that came out about you or I...both of us would be in a jail cell. However, Biden's attoney general was blocked by Republicans from being a Supreme Court nominee thus he has no interest in justice but rather revenge against the GOP. Biden has also weaponized the DOJ, FBI and HLS to go after democrat political enemies. Similar to the Bolsheviki, Nazis and Zelensky using government power to silence opposition. Last week, a Michigan GOP candidate declared he would seek impeachment of Biden and the next day the FBI put him in leg irons in the airport. My country is controlled by Nazis.

Btw ..that hat in your pic is cool as shit, man

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