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It’s not for me to decide whether this thread dies Lepp. It just always becomes personal. Face-to-face debates are different kettle of fish, but not in the dark recesses of the internet. Don’t mean to come across as a peace-loving hippy – cos I not. Not that I have anything against hippies. More power to their flower.
It’s an international site, so it good to read of different cultures. There are people on Yns Mon (Anglesey) who’ve actually never left Wales. Silly buggers.
Genuinely surprised there has never been mass murder outside Celtic Park or Ibrox. Too gruesome for words. I was in giddy London from early 90s. Worked with a lad who was involved with London Celtic & London Ireland. Socialised with them a fair bit. If you saw a lanky Taff, drinking pernod & black and singing Morrissey songs in Cricklewood….it was probably me!
My last visit to Dublin was for the HUGE European tie…er...Bohemians v Rhyl FC. We took 400 on the ferry. Bit of a Celt love-in. Top entertainment. Bohs bought over a thousand for the return game. Not sure they quite knew what to make of this town. Lol. They did drink the pubs dry though.
It’s an international site, so it good to read of different cultures. There are people on Yns Mon (Anglesey) who’ve actually never left Wales. Silly buggers.
Genuinely surprised there has never been mass murder outside Celtic Park or Ibrox. Too gruesome for words. I was in giddy London from early 90s. Worked with a lad who was involved with London Celtic & London Ireland. Socialised with them a fair bit. If you saw a lanky Taff, drinking pernod & black and singing Morrissey songs in Cricklewood….it was probably me!
My last visit to Dublin was for the HUGE European tie…er...Bohemians v Rhyl FC. We took 400 on the ferry. Bit of a Celt love-in. Top entertainment. Bohs bought over a thousand for the return game. Not sure they quite knew what to make of this town. Lol. They did drink the pubs dry though.
I'm 1/4 Scottish, great-great grandparents Welsh, otherwise Lancastrian-Liverpool-Manchester. The only hope for the future is a return to an agrarian-based society with people working on the land and food sourced locally. Devolution and the right to localised self-determination is the only sane future. This includes devolution for Wales & Scotland, and Ireland reunited.
I would have included devolution for Cornwall too where I lived for a long time but then it gets complicated; pity their language died out and Londoners discovered it in the last 15 years.
What we will see is the green agenda weaponised by big business and used to shift people off the land (already happening in Holland) -- the exact opposite of what needs to happen.
You can move to Portugal like I did and buy land cheap and restore a ruin to live in, but I can tell you it's a hard life if you want to become truly self-sufficient. Best to have an on-line income, and/or be retired :))
I would have included devolution for Cornwall too where I lived for a long time but then it gets complicated; pity their language died out and Londoners discovered it in the last 15 years.
What we will see is the green agenda weaponised by big business and used to shift people off the land (already happening in Holland) -- the exact opposite of what needs to happen.
You can move to Portugal like I did and buy land cheap and restore a ruin to live in, but I can tell you it's a hard life if you want to become truly self-sufficient. Best to have an on-line income, and/or be retired :))
This Just In...
Huntef Biden secretly arranged for America's nuclear secrets,
such as our research to build nuclear bombs, was delivered to the Saudis,
shortly after the Kashoggi killing.
Some short years later,,
Hunter received 2 billion dollars from the Saudi Crown prince, to manage,
along with a couple million dollars a month for a management of the money fee.
Huntef Biden secretly arranged for America's nuclear secrets,
such as our research to build nuclear bombs, was delivered to the Saudis,
shortly after the Kashoggi killing.
Some short years later,,
Hunter received 2 billion dollars from the Saudi Crown prince, to manage,
along with a couple million dollars a month for a management of the money fee.
Mrd said:As an old guy with great-grandchildren, I fear for their future. I also am a progressive who currently supports Biden, and the last time I looked in the mirror I didn’t see some crotchety evil guy, but rather someone trying to do the best he can in an increasingly dystopic culture. So what’s up with the name-calling?
The reality is that our brains are hard-wired to run with the first or second plausibly appropriate reaction to whatever threat presents itself. When the lion is in attack mode, our hunter-gather ancestors didn’t have the luxury of examining every available option but had to act immediately. That worked great for much of our shared history, but we are increasingly confronted with situations that don’t fit into a fight-flight binary set of options.
Again, I am not the enemy. The enemy seems to be bogus information churned out by the wealthy and powerful whose short-term agendas have little or nothing to do with what’s good for the masses or the planet. When the body politic loses the ability to discern shite from shinola, we’re in a world of trouble. I fear that’s where we are now.
Read widely. Study how built-in cognitive biases distort the truth. Try a little kindness, class, and remember to play nice. Reality is that we are all in this together and it’s going to take monumental cooperation to make it through. We remain one miscalculation away from disaster.
I am also mixed-race, a direct descendant of kidnapped Africans who survived the Middle Passage.
Peace.
Yes, it is sad ro witness so much propaganda in the past years or is it 1000s of years. I agree this is counterproductive. I assume you then disavow the last 6 years of Biden supporting tech oligarchs, government agencies and lamestream media intentional and now documented and admitted lies about President Trump and Trump supporters? I have watched at least 10 years of speech being censored. 5 years of deplatforming aka modern book burning. And now 2 years of weaponized government agencies scamming to arrest political opponents or slander while covering up democrat crimes. I will link you Facebook's admission that the FBI told them to squash any info about the Biden's before the election...
I'm sure all Jimmy Carter progressives, as yourself, would call bullshit on such authoritarian shit, Correct????
Actually we are all mixed race. My anglo saxon ancestors were stolen from Europe by arab Mulsim slave traders and sold to African kings for a 1000 years. Far more than the Africans sent to the colonies. But that is just historical facts, I understand progressives must ignore history, especially the eugenic past and modern progressive history, in order to look into the mirror.
The reality is that our brains are hard-wired to run with the first or second plausibly appropriate reaction to whatever threat presents itself. When the lion is in attack mode, our hunter-gather ancestors didn’t have the luxury of examining every available option but had to act immediately. That worked great for much of our shared history, but we are increasingly confronted with situations that don’t fit into a fight-flight binary set of options.
Again, I am not the enemy. The enemy seems to be bogus information churned out by the wealthy and powerful whose short-term agendas have little or nothing to do with what’s good for the masses or the planet. When the body politic loses the ability to discern shite from shinola, we’re in a world of trouble. I fear that’s where we are now.
Read widely. Study how built-in cognitive biases distort the truth. Try a little kindness, class, and remember to play nice. Reality is that we are all in this together and it’s going to take monumental cooperation to make it through. We remain one miscalculation away from disaster.
I am also mixed-race, a direct descendant of kidnapped Africans who survived the Middle Passage.
Peace.
Yes, it is sad ro witness so much propaganda in the past years or is it 1000s of years. I agree this is counterproductive. I assume you then disavow the last 6 years of Biden supporting tech oligarchs, government agencies and lamestream media intentional and now documented and admitted lies about President Trump and Trump supporters? I have watched at least 10 years of speech being censored. 5 years of deplatforming aka modern book burning. And now 2 years of weaponized government agencies scamming to arrest political opponents or slander while covering up democrat crimes. I will link you Facebook's admission that the FBI told them to squash any info about the Biden's before the election...
I'm sure all Jimmy Carter progressives, as yourself, would call bullshit on such authoritarian shit, Correct????
Actually we are all mixed race. My anglo saxon ancestors were stolen from Europe by arab Mulsim slave traders and sold to African kings for a 1000 years. Far more than the Africans sent to the colonies. But that is just historical facts, I understand progressives must ignore history, especially the eugenic past and modern progressive history, in order to look into the mirror.
Josh said:
We have an interest in America because of its corporate-driven take-over expansionism, and its habit of blowing up countries in our area (Europe) causing massive refugee crises. And Ukraine is not just Putin's gig - America has long since had its fingers in the pie of Ukraine, with an eye on Russsia.
Yes, anyone can comment on any country. We live in an globally interconnected world of separate countries that all affect each other. Unfortunately we didn't outlaw the democrat party after we took away their slaves, so now they have totally fucked the U.S. Hopefully the rest of the world survives leftism.
We have an interest in America because of its corporate-driven take-over expansionism, and its habit of blowing up countries in our area (Europe) causing massive refugee crises. And Ukraine is not just Putin's gig - America has long since had its fingers in the pie of Ukraine, with an eye on Russsia.
Yes, anyone can comment on any country. We live in an globally interconnected world of separate countries that all affect each other. Unfortunately we didn't outlaw the democrat party after we took away their slaves, so now they have totally fucked the U.S. Hopefully the rest of the world survives leftism.
MadameLavender said:
We do indeed moderate and all opinions are welcome here. We step in, when something looks to be getting out of hand, in the way of personal attacks, spam, and other no-no's.
As far as Trump and Biden, we are all allowed to support whomever we each choose to, and we are allowed to civilly discuss them here.
If you don't like seeing posts in support of Trump, then don't respond to them-- this thread is for any political or social topics at all, not just American politics . Add your own and get a different discussion going.
I do not personally support Biden or any of the people using him as their puppet , yet as the author of this thread and as a moderator, I let those posts remain because they are discussion pieces.
Carry on.
So interesting and tell telling that he demands you censor political opposition for "him to talk". I didnt call for civil war. Democrat media have and it is currently happening. It is not me but Pelosi's nephew Newson that has now, for the second time, reduced the penalty for sodomy with a child in California. It is not me but progressive parents that are taking their kids to drag shows to put money in strippers belts. It is not me but Trotskyite teachers that keep getting arrested for talking and demanding to sexualize children! It is not me but the Biden administration that is threatening to withhold federal school lunch money for poor kids if school administrators do not allow boys in girls bathrooms.
If any of this is offensive to someone because I am exposing it. Then I question if they support it.
If actual good, freedom loving Jimmy Carter democrats would call out this shit then it would diminish.
Why is this being ignored?
Why is Epstein's client list suppressed?
This will be the hill the so called progressive party dies on. People will no longer tolerate this evil. It is not "minor attracted people" it is pedophiles. It is not "gender affirming surgery" it is child sex change. It is not "inclusion" but rather exclusion of non doctrine info. The ongoing attempt to rename and change definitions is just evidence that these people KNOW this is wrong.
In comparison, all other political jive is now meaningless to me.
We do indeed moderate and all opinions are welcome here. We step in, when something looks to be getting out of hand, in the way of personal attacks, spam, and other no-no's.
As far as Trump and Biden, we are all allowed to support whomever we each choose to, and we are allowed to civilly discuss them here.
If you don't like seeing posts in support of Trump, then don't respond to them-- this thread is for any political or social topics at all, not just American politics . Add your own and get a different discussion going.
I do not personally support Biden or any of the people using him as their puppet , yet as the author of this thread and as a moderator, I let those posts remain because they are discussion pieces.
Carry on.
So interesting and tell telling that he demands you censor political opposition for "him to talk". I didnt call for civil war. Democrat media have and it is currently happening. It is not me but Pelosi's nephew Newson that has now, for the second time, reduced the penalty for sodomy with a child in California. It is not me but progressive parents that are taking their kids to drag shows to put money in strippers belts. It is not me but Trotskyite teachers that keep getting arrested for talking and demanding to sexualize children! It is not me but the Biden administration that is threatening to withhold federal school lunch money for poor kids if school administrators do not allow boys in girls bathrooms.
If any of this is offensive to someone because I am exposing it. Then I question if they support it.
If actual good, freedom loving Jimmy Carter democrats would call out this shit then it would diminish.
Why is this being ignored?
Why is Epstein's client list suppressed?
This will be the hill the so called progressive party dies on. People will no longer tolerate this evil. It is not "minor attracted people" it is pedophiles. It is not "gender affirming surgery" it is child sex change. It is not "inclusion" but rather exclusion of non doctrine info. The ongoing attempt to rename and change definitions is just evidence that these people KNOW this is wrong.
In comparison, all other political jive is now meaningless to me.
Strangeways_Rob said:"Why is Epstein's client list suppressed?"
Very good point to be fair. Speaking from this side of the pond, the Monarchy & British establishment will be protected at all costs.
I come off as very angry about this issue. I can't help that. I know coward rino neocon republicans AND progressives are on that list. It is not one sided, but rather like everything, good vs evil. Anglo-American history of elitest corruption goes back to our beginnings. Will we ever get out from under these aristocrats?
Very good point to be fair. Speaking from this side of the pond, the Monarchy & British establishment will be protected at all costs.
I come off as very angry about this issue. I can't help that. I know coward rino neocon republicans AND progressives are on that list. It is not one sided, but rather like everything, good vs evil. Anglo-American history of elitest corruption goes back to our beginnings. Will we ever get out from under these aristocrats?
Think we all agree child abuse is the epitome of evil. Ghislaine Maxwell deserves to rot too, though she just tip of a very large iceberg.
All nations contain a cultural treasure box, which the rest of the world dip into. I a big fan of Cohen, Patti Smith, New York Dolls & Joni Mitchell and they are distinctly American.
All nations contain a cultural treasure box, which the rest of the world dip into. I a big fan of Cohen, Patti Smith, New York Dolls & Joni Mitchell and they are distinctly American.
Strangeways_Rob said:Think we all agree child abuse is the epitome of evil. Ghislaine Maxwell deserves to rot too, though she just tip of a very large iceberg.
All nations contain a cultural treasure box, which the rest of the world dip into. I a big fan of Cohen, Patti Smith, New York Dolls & Joni Mitchell and they are distinctly American.
I have come to realize past change and evolution in Anglo-American society did not come from laws or marching or wire sloganeers but rather the "coming together" was facilitated mainly from the collective movement in sports and music. The great effort that made the reformed Democrat party of the 80s and 90s was from baby boomers that grew up with integrated music and sports and thus revised the old racist party into one of free speech and equality. Unfortunately, some of the 1920s Democrat eugenic philosophy is back..
but for decades, what was the segregated party of society opened their arms to all as Republicans had done from the start. It is fitting that we talk of interest via music on this "political" thread. Along with sports, the world citizen threw off the last parts of bondage and expressed themselves as individuals. That is the world I grew up in. Now the tune has changed. It is off scale and discordant. Authoritarians remove all means for peoples to come together. State art and state run sports result. They understand that a citizen's spirit naturally flows towards peace and independence. They must be taught to hate both. As is taught today in far too many places...
All nations contain a cultural treasure box, which the rest of the world dip into. I a big fan of Cohen, Patti Smith, New York Dolls & Joni Mitchell and they are distinctly American.
I have come to realize past change and evolution in Anglo-American society did not come from laws or marching or wire sloganeers but rather the "coming together" was facilitated mainly from the collective movement in sports and music. The great effort that made the reformed Democrat party of the 80s and 90s was from baby boomers that grew up with integrated music and sports and thus revised the old racist party into one of free speech and equality. Unfortunately, some of the 1920s Democrat eugenic philosophy is back..
but for decades, what was the segregated party of society opened their arms to all as Republicans had done from the start. It is fitting that we talk of interest via music on this "political" thread. Along with sports, the world citizen threw off the last parts of bondage and expressed themselves as individuals. That is the world I grew up in. Now the tune has changed. It is off scale and discordant. Authoritarians remove all means for peoples to come together. State art and state run sports result. They understand that a citizen's spirit naturally flows towards peace and independence. They must be taught to hate both. As is taught today in far too many places...
My father told me he fought a war not so much against Fascism per se, but against those authoritarian-minded few who self-righteously and self-appointedly get themselves into power positions to tell the many how to run their lives, thereby destroying the right to self-determination.
He hoped the psychos would not 'return' in my life-time - unfortunately they have, and the millennia-old war of attrition against we-the-people is going into hyper-drive, tightening the screws in all areas of life (including music & sport, as mentioned above).
I think I am asking the same question as many others - we see it happening but how to respond? My personal answer was to return to the land, have my own water resource, and grow food -- but not everyone can do that.
One thing at least is to avoid their age-old tactic of divide-and-rule. The advice to "Love your neighbour as part of yourself" was not a moral injunction but a practical necessity under tyranny.
He hoped the psychos would not 'return' in my life-time - unfortunately they have, and the millennia-old war of attrition against we-the-people is going into hyper-drive, tightening the screws in all areas of life (including music & sport, as mentioned above).
I think I am asking the same question as many others - we see it happening but how to respond? My personal answer was to return to the land, have my own water resource, and grow food -- but not everyone can do that.
One thing at least is to avoid their age-old tactic of divide-and-rule. The advice to "Love your neighbour as part of yourself" was not a moral injunction but a practical necessity under tyranny.
White people were not stolen and sold en masse to Africans, that's unnecessary hate speech and an insult to the history of white supremacy. When did white folks allow Black slave traders into their borders and not document any of the "atrocities" against them? We only brought civilization to white people for good or bad, but not bloodthirsty racism.
