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runaway-mindtrain said:

Fine...he is real and the article is a lie... whatever...I just made it up. You win, liberal...


EdibleWords said: So basically if non-vaccinated families went to the docks to save themselves they could catch a ride. Just not on Royal Caribbean?

From the Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/09/world/americas/volcano-St-Vincent-eruption-caribbean.html


... Jesus.  

I’m not saying the article is a lie because I have no opinion on it. I’m stating in passing what a friend of mine who is there said. I’m not claiming it to be fact. I’m not claiming it to be the whole of the law. Just a fleeting comment based on what he told me just yesterday.

You don’t have to listen to it.

Remember normal conversation? That’s how that works.

Calm down chaps, it can’t be good for the ol’ blood pressure. Over and out.

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Northern_Soul said:

... Jesus.  

I’m not saying the article is a lie because I have no opinion on it. I’m stating in passing what a friend of mine who is there said. I’m not claiming it to be fact. I’m not claiming it to be the whole of the law. Just a fleeting comment based on what he told me just yesterday.

You don’t have to listen to it.


I actually would trust you and your friend over the NYT!

And honestly I was hoping he knew about fishermen and yacht owners doing private rescue operations. It beggars belief that non-vaccinated would not be allowed to save their lives. I would more likely believe that the cruise ships are serving mega corporate pro vaccine advertising with this garbage.

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EdibleWords said:

I actually would trust you and your friend over the NYT!

And honestly I was hoping he knew about fishermen and yacht owners doing private rescue operations. It beggars belief that non-vaccinated would not be allowed to save their lives. I would more likely believe that the cruise ships are serving mega corporate pro vaccine advertising with this garbage.



I don’t think it’s about life or death. evacuate order was for one section of the island (approx 16,000 peeps. the rest of the island and its remaining 84,000 population is safe enough (so far)

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runaway-mindtrain said:

I will try to be calm....but as long as leftist call me names and insinuate I am a liar I will spit that arrogant shit back in their faces... These liberals are so use to getting to say anything they want because the controllers of the internet back them up....But those days of no consequence are OVER, liberals. Best you have your facts straight and keep your insult for someone else!!!!!

But thanks Madame for letting me comment here....I appreciate the thread. You are quite the lady, for sure...


Anytime, Jeff-- that's the purpose of this thread , to have a place where all "sides" can express their views and beliefs on any political and social topics, and everyone else who isn't of that particular persuasion, can practice cordial debate.

No one will be excluded or cornered in a dark alley & beaten by a mob, for having their own opinions and beliefs or driven out of this thread because what they think isn't in line with everyone else , or adhering to a certain topic , etc

We can all disagree here, but we can all be excellent to each other , too.  Any "powers that be", out there, get their strength in causing division through deception, and we take away that hold on us, by not falling into their traps .  Disagreeing with others is normal, but letting it enrage and destroy, is what gives the enemy , per se, the upper hand.

Carry on..  

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elsiesan said:Thank you kindly.  I just think people are not true to themselves. They lend to so much bullshit, not sure of anything.  And, of course, as we grow into our wisdom of thought, as our windows of reference change our thinking, our personal truth changes.

I always say bullshit is bullshit no matter how one tries to make it real.  There is that saying, "You can't bullshit the bullshitter and the bullshitter is you." Let's get real.  Let's look in the mirror, ask ourselves what the hell are we saying?  I mean really, i gotta say WTF.  Where are people's heads?  It's crazy out there and it keeps getting crazier.  We need to band together, we are about to be annilated.  I won't see it so much, I'm too old, but my grandchildren and especially my great grandchildren will be living.  I keep telling my now 14 year old great granddaughter that she needs to become a warrior in order to survive what is to come.  My little poetic expression is:

Become a warrior
Harbinger of peace
Take a knee
Stand up
Be of integrity
Maintain quality
Quantity shall come.

We can all agree on a few points of reference.  Let's go there, stop pointing the finger.  While finger pointing can be useful, it is a distraction, a deterrent to what is really going on behind the scenes.  We must dig, few know how to dig, few realize the implicarions of digging, It takes work.

I will add a point in my opinion here.  Trump appeared to always point his finger outward. He never, as far as I can tell, pointed it inward.  His rhetoric, his agenda has nearly broke our democratic society.  Seems he had ideas but with no real answers.  So if the so called deep state is broken who the hell is going to run the country, a dictator.  None of this makes sense to my little brain.

He pointed outward so much, many have lost track of true value, of the fact that he did NOTHING about the climate crisis.  His regime has cost us precious time.  In fact, he was in the back pocket of climate deniers and those who are making money hand over foot, who deny the climate crisis. He has cost us four years of precious time.  Let's get real, evidence is there.  I will be the to acknowledge, I have no fucking clue where to find it. I don't have to find it, it is before my very eyes.  

There are many stupid people in this world.  He, being stupid, but being a Master Manipulator has invoked his own agenda onto the American people. And, stupid, little people who seemingly should know better, along with those who simply spout hearsay with no evidence, have gravitated to his nonsense of racism, abortions, etc.  Give me a goddamned break already.  He has walked backwards, he has set our country back by years.

Another rant and rave from me.  


I was wondering how many post I would read before you blamed Trump for your personal problems. Leftist must have a scapegoat. They fuck up the world and blame their opposition...

"Accuse your opponent of that which you are guilty"- Joseph Goebells
"Project your crimes upon your enemy as your are committing them in order to cause confusion" - Trotsky

As you demanded that people state "In my opinion" at the beginning of their post... perhaps you should follow your own guidelines....or are those leftist rules just for those you disagree with and not yourself?

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Northern_Soul said:

... Jesus.  

I’m not saying the article is a lie because I have no opinion on it. I’m stating in passing what a friend of mine who is there said. I’m not claiming it to be fact. I’m not claiming it to be the whole of the law. Just a fleeting comment based on what he told me just yesterday.

You don’t have to listen to it.

Remember normal conversation? That’s how that works.

Calm down chaps, it can’t be good for the ol’ blood pressure. Over and out.


So you say I was spreading falsehoods because your boyfriend knows better...then I show facts from officials and you tell me to calm down. How about you stop claiming someone is lying and try to cover yourself by acting like I was wrong for pointing it out. Every problem we face in the world comes from people trying to cover up truth to support their agenda. Stop doing that and I will be calm. Stop covering up facts and we can fix problems. Stop supporting suppression of crimes and people will have a better life.

It is clear from the debate here, that people being stopped from escaping a disaster is OK to leftists. Just like mass'er Biden having over 12,000 children in containers on the border is OK to democrats...

That makes me want to throw up...But I have a conscience that guides me instead of leftists authoritarian dogma

It is so interesting how many researched the crimes in St.Vincent ... AFTER denying it and now claim to know the truth by twisting facts....

Trotsky would be proud...


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Ok, fella. No idea what you’re talking about. Have a lovely day ☀️

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runaway-mindtrain said:

So you say I was spreading falsehoods because your boyfriend knows better...then I show facts from officials and you tell me to calm down. How about you stop claiming someone is lying and try to cover yourself by acting like I was wrong for pointing it out. Every problem we face in the world comes from people trying to cover up truth to support their agenda. Stop doing that and I will be calm. Stop covering up facts and we can fix problems. Stop supporting suppression of crimes and people will have a better life.

It is clear from the debate here, that people being stopped from escaping a disaster is OK to leftists. Just like mass'er Biden having over 12,000 children in containers on the border is OK to democrats...

That makes me want to throw up...But I have a conscience that guides me instead of leftists authoritarian dogma

It is so interesting how many researched the crimes in St.Vincent ... AFTER denying it and now claim to know the truth by twisting facts....

Trotsky would be proud...





(1). it takes 15mins tops to get vaccinated.

(2) only 16,000 of the 100,000 pop. have been given the get the fuck outta here order


That means.... ?

(3) what you’ve done is taken a natural disaster and tried to sex it up using a tabloid newspaper to fit your anti-Dem

(4) the people who choose to say in a shelter on the island have been ADVISED to get vaccinated


(5) send me another pm like that and see what happens.



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runaway-mindtrain said:

I was wondering how many post I would read before you blamed Trump for your personal problems. Leftist must have a scapegoat. They fuck up the world and blame their opposition...

"Accuse your opponent of that which you are guilty"- Joseph Goebells
"Project your crimes upon your enemy as your are committing them in order to cause confusion" - Trotsky

As you demanded that people state "In my opinion" at the beginning of their post... perhaps you should follow your own guidelines....or are those leftist rules just for those you disagree with and not yourself?


I think I may have neglected to tell you I voted for Trump first time around.  I am neither left nor right, however am probably more on the  progressive side of the political arena.  I don't believe I stated anything about my problems.  I am stating problems with the our overall world order where climate crisis is about to change all people's way of life.

And, I have to wonder about people who do not seem to take responsibility for their own actions as well.  Anyone who watched Trump day in and day out, and still seems to think his agenda and his way is right, well let's put it this way, I will not be responding to any more if your quotes, since it seems you see nothing wrong with his behavior.  I did not blame Trump for our problems.  I do not see anywhere that stated in my writings.  These problems were already there.  His abhorrent behavior, however, has caused the USA to to walk backwards and in fact has nearly destroyed our democracy.  And, we are not out if the woods yet.  

I even stated about Obama.  Nothing can get done when our politicians have their own agendas and with the way our governing system is set up, if you have a democratic house and republican party or vice versa,seems can't get much done.  So, how to remedy, I do not know.  

One idea is that politicians need to get out if the back pockets of those who fund their campaigns, get their head out of their ass and understand their role is to serve the people, but money talks and bullshit walks.  Campaign reform needs to be a top priority. Entirely too much money is spent on campaigns.  Total ridiculousness.  

I do apologize, if I did not state in my opinion.  It was a glaring flaw though. Hard to not notice his behavior.  Condoning his behavior, is something I do not understand.  

I take back my apology, at the beginning of my pointing the finger, I did in fact state that in my opinion.  You owe me the apology.  

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I think the wages of a politician should be inextricably linked to the people. since we pay them.

to that end I would suggest a ‘parliament’ magazine linked to respective parliaments. people can purchase the magazine if they want. a fee of €/£/$ 1

monies collected during the year is divided up among those elected to respective houses/ parliaments following year

It would weed out those there to line their bank accounts. might actually get some people in who give a fuck about people

simple :),

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The problem with that is, people struggle to shell out for a copy of The Big Issue that might actually help people... I doubt they’re gonna shell out on a magazine with a backbenching Jacob Rees-Mogg lounging on the cover 😆

It was a good idea until then. 👍🏻

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lepperochan said:I think the wages of a politician should be inextricably linked to the people. since we pay them.

to that end I would suggest a ‘parliament’ magazine linked to respective parliaments. people can purchase the magazine if they want. a fee of €/£/$ 1

Not sure of the answer, but something has got to give.  

monies collected during the year is divided up among those elected to respective houses/ parliaments following year

It would weed out those there to line their bank accounts. might actually get some people in who give a fuck about people

simple :),

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Current ongoing pernicious lie....

Fascist were and are conservative...
---A historical falsehood

 
The National Socialist German Workers' Party was left-wing socialism at its core. The many authoritarian parties and movements of the 20s and 30s in Europe differed significantly from one another, but they had many characteristics in common, including extreme militaristic nationalism, contempt for electoral democracy and political and cultural LIBERALISM, a belief in the natural social hierarchy and the rule of elites, and the desire to create a Volksgemeinschaft (German: “people’s community”), in which individual interests would be subordinated to the good of the nation. The modern right as it is referred to now is deeply democratic republican/freedom centered thus hardly compatible with a party that punished free dissenting speech. It’s easily forgotten how similar the Soviet Communist regime and the Nazi and Italy fascism regimes were. Mussolini was a great admirer of Karl Marx and Marx’s principles of revolutionary socialism. By “revolutionary socialism,” I mean to distinguish Marxist socialism from the democratic socialists and labor unions that were emerging in Europe in that era.

Mussolini, like Marx and Lenin, saw the party as the vanguard of the working class, a force that would usher in change. Mussolini was in fact a member of the socialist party of Italy, although he broke with the party on the issue of neutrality during World War I. It was later that Mussolini thought to combine socialism with nationalism and form a new party. He called the combination “fascism.” A fasces is a bundle of rods, each individually weak while the bundle is strong. Mussolini’s counterpart in Germany called the combination “national socialism.” In Germany, where they like long words, this became “Nationalsozialistische.” In America, where we like short words, this became “Nazi.”

Hitler, like Mussolini, was a great admirer of Marx and was originally a member of the socialist party. Hitler, like Mussolini, served in the army of his country during World War I, and both rose to the rank of corporal. Hitler, like Mussolini, said that the members of the working class were not easily drawn to revolutionary socialism, but were responsive to a combination of socialism and nationalism.

The new national socialist parties of Italy and Germany clashed with the communist parties of those countries. This was a clash of rivals both of which were revolutionary socialist and had the will to power. Then, when the traditional conservative, liberal, and democratic socialist parties were in decline, the national socialists rose to power with the support of certain industrialists (we would say “crony capitalists”).

The main difference between Hitler’s form of national socialism and Mussolini’s concerned the meaning of “nationalism.” Hitler thought of nationalism along genetic lines, while Mussolini thought of nationalism along cultural lines. American progressives were, at the time, sympathetic to both points of view. Woodrow Wilson was definitely in the racist camp. Theodore Roosevelt in the cultural camp. Family planning, abortion, and forced sterilization were part of the agenda, along with establishing labor colonies for the undesirable elements of society and using public schools to indoctrinate the next generation. In Oregon, the KKK was successful in outlawing private or religious schools until the Supreme Court ruled that to be unconstitutional. Also easily lost in history by the fact that the media is deeply liberal and left-wing is that the Democratic Party leaders didn’t see the fascist regimes rising up as horrible right-wing ideology. It was exactly the opposite. Roosevelt never had much use for Hitler, but Mussolini was another matter. "'I don't mind telling you in confidence,' FDR remarked to a White House correspondent, 'that I am keeping in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman'" Rexford Tugwell, a leading adviser to the president, had difficulty containing his enthusiasm for Mussolini's program to modernize Italy: "It's the cleanest … most efficiently operating piece of social machinery I've ever seen. It makes me envious".  Fascism is Communism combining with Ultra-Nationalism, purely. Also, another fact is that Hitler and Mussolini were very anti-religious/anti-Christian/anti-Jewish and we all know that America was founded by Protestant Christians escaping financial and religious persecution by Britain. Our constitution was established so everyone’s speech could be allowed, people weren’t a collective group, they were individuals with God-given rights, responsible for their own actions who deserve the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That alone proves American Nationalism/Conservativism is what this country was founded on and is the opposite of both Communism and fascism.


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