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Blackwolf said:Okay , Andres...Thank you...

And just so you know , I did not mean to offend you ,
I was just being honest , as far as someone else's
name , and was triggered by the link to politics...

I grew up in a very anti - that person household...

I apologize...

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Thread Introduction

Off the cuff opinions are unstoppable but would be nice if anything posted could be backed by highly and widely respected journalists and authors. For example: I would respect the BBC more than Fox News. I would respect the work of authors/journalists who have peer reviewed articles and books on Antifa over those who never did any scholarly work or appeared in major newspapers and magazines. Things pulled from YouTube, twitter, Facebook, just doesn't do it for me. As far I know ANTIFA has a long history and people who support it fall on a spectrum....a spectrum with a quickly growing number of 20 to 40 somethings...who happen to be out of work with narrowing prospects and choking student loans.


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Updated information leads.  Thank you for contributing links, Ahavati, Johnny B, Dhyana. Hoping folks interested in this thread will make the time to click and read some, before starting the conversation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)

https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/534192/

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/expert-andy-ngo-it-wasnt-antifa-at-the-capitol-riots
https://www.centerstreet.com/titles/andy-ngo/unmasked/9781549131981/
Background on info source:      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo

Background on info source: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo

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https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2020/10/30/unmasking-antifa-in-new-book-experts-expose-ideology-tactics-and-fundraising-of-rapidly-growing-threat-to-american-security/

Background on info source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Security_Policy
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Don’t really want to post a Joe Rogan Youtube video, but Eric Weinstein presents a model on far left (ANTIFA) and far right (PROUD BOYS) extremist groups that I see as a possible conversation starter for some who want to take this thread seriously. I see Rogan as slightly left of center podcaster that appeals to the male adolescent to 45 demographic and Weinstein as an intellectual centrist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fup7Fcs7UM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Weinstein

* I regret posting this Youtube video.  Trying to stay away from these and could have picked something much better with more
credible voices and experts on the topic.

* Added another info link on Andy Ngo above: he's not looking so good.

* And the Center For Security Policy's background and work does not look so hot either.

* Recent links added at the top.

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So , do you have anything new Andres ?

( Or Are You A One Trick Pony ? )

Since you keep repeating what you prefer to be posted ?

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Blackwolf said:So , do you have anything new Andres ?

( Or Are You A One Trick Pony ? )

Since you keep repeating what you prefer to be posted ?

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Thread Introduction

“Off the cuff opinions are unstoppable but would be nice if anything posted could be backed by highly and widely respected journalists and authors. For example: I would respect the BBC more than Fox News. I would respect the work of authors/journalists who have peer reviewed articles and books on Antifa over those who never did any scholarly work or appeared in major newspapers and magazines. Things pulled from YouTube, twitter, Facebook, just doesn't do it for me. As far I know ANTIFA has a long history and people who support it fall on a spectrum....a spectrum with a quickly growing number of 20 to 40 somethings...who happen to be out of work with narrowing prospects and choking student loans.”


Updated information leads.  Thank you for links Ahavati, Johnny B, Dhyana.

****************************************************************************

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)

https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/534192/

*********************************************************************************
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/expert-andy-ngo-it-wasnt-antifa-at-the-capitol-riots
https://www.centerstreet.com/titles/andy-ngo/unmasked/9781549131981/
Background on info source:      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo

Background on info source: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo

**********************************************************************************
https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2020/10/30/unmasking-antifa-in-new-book-experts-expose-ideology-tactics-and-fundraising-of-rapidly-growing-threat-to-american-security/

Background on info source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Security_Policy
***********************************************************************************
Don’t really want to post a Joe Rogan Youtube video, but Eric Weinstein presents a model on far left (ANTIFA) and far right (PROUD BOYS) extremist groups that I see as a possible conversation starter for some who want to take this thread seriously. I see Rogan as slightly left of center podcaster that appeals to the male adolescent to 45 demographic and Weinstein as an intellectual centrist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fup7Fcs7UM


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Weinstein

* I regret posting this Youtube video.  Trying to stay away from these and could have picked something much better with more
credible voices and experts on the topic.

* Added another info link on Andy Ngo above: he's not looking so good.

* And the Center For Security Policy's background and work does not look so hot either.
******************************************************************************

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The seeds of Antifa left to germinate deposited by an arrogant heart many years ago


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In hindsight I want to explain my comment on the arrogant heart sowing the seed of hatred of Antifa
The truth is white supremacy, and anti-facist groups are what sprouts from the racist arrogant heart buried deep in America

 


At lunchtime on May 19, 2012, 18 masked men and women shouldered through the front door of the Ashford House restaurant in Tinley Park, Illinois, a working-class suburb of Chicago. Some diners mistook the mob for armed robbers. Others thought they might be playing a practical joke. But Steven Speers, a stalactite-bearded 33-year-old who had just sat down for appetizers at a white nationalist meet and greet, had a hunch who they were. The gang filing in with baseball bats, police batons, hammers, and nunchucks were members of Anti-Racist Action (ARA) and the Hoosier Anti-Racist Movement (HARM), two groups dedicated to violently confronting white supremacists.


“Hey, bitches!” one of the anti-racists shouted before charging Speers’ table. “ARA is going to fuck this place up!”


Speers stood up and warned his seven companions to prepare to fight. His girlfriend, Beckie Williams, who had organized the lunchtime gathering on the white supremacist website Stormfront, grabbed a butter knife. Francis Gilroy, a homeless man who had driven up from Florida to find “work for whites,” as an online ad for the meeting promised, tried to pull the attackers off his companions. Williams was clubbed on the arm. Speers was hit on the head so hard he vomited

An 80-year-old woman celebrating her granddaughter’s high school graduation at a nearby table was also pushed to the floor. A retired cop who believed he was witnessing a terrorist attack used a chair to knock out one of the masked intruders. That’s when they ran off, dragging their dazed companion.


In less than two minutes, the anti-racists had unleashed a flurry of destruction. A mosaic of smashed glass covered the floor. Blood polka-dotted the ceiling. Three people required medical care.


One group of attackers raced away in a cherry red Dodge Neon. Jason Sutherlin, a 33-year-old with the words “TIME BOMB” tattooed across his knuckles, rode shotgun. His half-brother Dylan drove, and his half-brother Cody, along with their cousin John Tucker, squeezed into the backseat with 22-year-old Alex Stuck, who’d been decked in the restaurant. They sped toward Interstate 80, which would take them home to central Indiana.


An off-duty police sergeant who’d heard a radio call about the attack spotted the Neon and turned on her siren. When she looked inside the parked car, amid the sweaty men she saw a baton, a baseball cap that said “Anti-Racist,” and a black and red scarf spelling out “HARM.” The men were arrested and charged with felony mob action and aggravated battery, which together carried up to seven years behind bars. (Speers and Gilroy were also arrested—Speers for a charge of possessing child pornography

utherlin and his four compatriots would soon come to be known as the Tinley Park Five. Though they had launched the Hoosier Anti-Racist Movement just six months earlier, the attack would make them the public faces of a small yet militant movement that had been waging war on right-wing extremists for decades. HARM was part of Anti-Racist Action, a national group that had spent more than 20 years trying to expose and combat radical right-wing activity with tactics that ranged from counseling kids in neo-Nazi gangs to harassment and physical violence. Most of their actions received little attention, though they occasionally made headlines, like after the 2002 Battle of York, where ARA members attacked a white supremacist march in a Pennsylvania town, or the time in 2009 when pepper-spray-wielding ARA members broke up a New York City speech by the British Holocaust denier David Irving. But mostly, this war was invisible beyond the predominantly white working-class youths caught up in it.


As the election of Donald Trump has ushered white supremacists and their ideas from the fringes to the mainstream, their most militant foes have also come out of the shadows. On Inauguration Day, Richard Spencer, the white nationalist who coined the term “alt-right,” was punched in the face on a Washington, DC, street corner. The blow was caught on video, spawning countless remixes and a debate over the ethics and efficacy of “Nazi punching.” That same night, a Trump supporter shot and wounded an anti-fascist, or “antifa,” who was protesting a speech by Breitbartprovocateur Milo Yiannopoulos at the University of Washington in Seattle. Less than two weeks later, “black bloc” protesters in Berkeley, California, helped force the cancellation of another Yiannopoulos speech, setting fires, smashing windows, and punching a Milo fan. Nationwide, new militant groups like Redneck Revolt are recruiting the next generation of activists who believe that white liberals are not up to the challenge of beating back right-wing extremists. The story of HARM’s rise and fall is a prequel to this moment, and a revealing tale about an underground war that’s been simmering for years and may now be poised to explode

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Valeriyabeyond said:
The seeds of Antifa left to germinate deposited by an arrogant heart many years ago


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At lunchtime on May 19, 2012, 18 masked men and women shouldered through the front door of the Ashford House restaurant in Tinley Park, Illinois, a working-class suburb of Chicago. Some diners mistook the mob for armed robbers. Others thought they might be playing a practical joke. But Steven Speers, a stalactite-bearded 33-year-old who had just sat down for appetizers at a white nationalist meet and greet, had a hunch who they were. The gang filing in with baseball bats, police batons, hammers, and nunchucks were members of Anti-Racist Action (ARA) and the Hoosier Anti-Racist Movement (HARM), two groups dedicated to violently confronting white supremacists.


“Hey, bitches!” one of the anti-racists shouted before charging Speers’ table. “ARA is going to fuck this place up!”


Speers stood up and warned his seven companions to prepare to fight. His girlfriend, Beckie Williams, who had organized the lunchtime gathering on the white supremacist website Stormfront, grabbed a butter knife. Francis Gilroy, a homeless man who had driven up from Florida to find “work for whites,” as an online ad for the meeting promised, tried to pull the attackers off his companions. Williams was clubbed on the arm. Speers was hit on the head so hard he vomited

An 80-year-old woman celebrating her granddaughter’s high school graduation at a nearby table was also pushed to the floor. A retired cop who believed he was witnessing a terrorist attack used a chair to knock out one of the masked intruders. That’s when they ran off, dragging their dazed companion.


In less than two minutes, the anti-racists had unleashed a flurry of destruction. A mosaic of smashed glass covered the floor. Blood polka-dotted the ceiling. Three people required medical care.


One group of attackers raced away in a cherry red Dodge Neon. Jason Sutherlin, a 33-year-old with the words “TIME BOMB” tattooed across his knuckles, rode shotgun. His half-brother Dylan drove, and his half-brother Cody, along with their cousin John Tucker, squeezed into the backseat with 22-year-old Alex Stuck, who’d been decked in the restaurant. They sped toward Interstate 80, which would take them home to central Indiana.


An off-duty police sergeant who’d heard a radio call about the attack spotted the Neon and turned on her siren. When she looked inside the parked car, amid the sweaty men she saw a baton, a baseball cap that said “Anti-Racist,” and a black and red scarf spelling out “HARM.” The men were arrested and charged with felony mob action and aggravated battery, which together carried up to seven years behind bars. (Speers and Gilroy were also arrested—Speers for a charge of possessing child pornography

utherlin and his four compatriots would soon come to be known as the Tinley Park Five. Though they had launched the Hoosier Anti-Racist Movement just six months earlier, the attack would make them the public faces of a small yet militant movement that had been waging war on right-wing extremists for decades. HARM was part of Anti-Racist Action, a national group that had spent more than 20 years trying to expose and combat radical right-wing activity with tactics that ranged from counseling kids in neo-Nazi gangs to harassment and physical violence. Most of their actions received little attention, though they occasionally made headlines, like after the 2002 Battle of York, where ARA members attacked a white supremacist march in a Pennsylvania town, or the time in 2009 when pepper-spray-wielding ARA members broke up a New York City speech by the British Holocaust denier David Irving. But mostly, this war was invisible beyond the predominantly white working-class youths caught up in it.


As the election of Donald Trump has ushered white supremacists and their ideas from the fringes to the mainstream, their most militant foes have also come out of the shadows. On Inauguration Day, Richard Spencer, the white nationalist who coined the term “alt-right,” was punched in the face on a Washington, DC, street corner. The blow was caught on video, spawning countless remixes and a debate over the ethics and efficacy of “Nazi punching.” That same night, a Trump supporter shot and wounded an anti-fascist, or “antifa,” who was protesting a speech by Breitbartprovocateur Milo Yiannopoulos at the University of Washington in Seattle. Less than two weeks later, “black bloc” protesters in Berkeley, California, helped force the cancellation of another Yiannopoulos speech, setting fires, smashing windows, and punching a Milo fan. Nationwide, new militant groups like Redneck Revolt are recruiting the next generation of activists who believe that white liberals are not up to the challenge of beating back right-wing extremists. The story of HARM’s rise and fall is a prequel to this moment, and a revealing tale about an underground war that’s been simmering for years and may now be poised to explode

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Thread Introduction

“Off the cuff opinions are unstoppable but would be nice if anything posted could be backed by highly and widely respected journalists and authors. For example: I would respect the BBC more than Fox News. I would respect the work of authors/journalists who have peer reviewed articles and books on Antifa over those who never did any scholarly work or appeared in major newspapers and magazines. Things pulled from YouTube, twitter, Facebook, just doesn't do it for me. As far I know ANTIFA has a long history and people who support it fall on a spectrum....a spectrum with a quickly growing number of 20 to 40 somethings...who happen to be out of work with narrowing prospects and choking student loans.”



Updated information leads.  Thank you for seriously playing Ahavati, Johnny B, Dhyana.

****************************************************************************

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)

https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/534192/

*********************************************************************************
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/expert-andy-ngo-it-wasnt-antifa-at-the-capitol-riots
https://www.centerstreet.com/titles/andy-ngo/unmasked/9781549131981/
Background on info source:      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo

Background on info source: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo

**********************************************************************************
https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2020/10/30/unmasking-antifa-in-new-book-experts-expose-ideology-tactics-and-fundraising-of-rapidly-growing-threat-to-american-security/

Background on info source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Security_Policy
***********************************************************************************
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fup7Fcs7UM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Weinstein

Don’t really want to post a Joe Rogan Youtube video, but Eric Weinstein presents a model on far left (ANTIFA) and far right (PROUD BOYS) extremist groups that I see as a possible conversation starter for some who want to take this thread seriously. I see Rogan as slightly left of center podcaster that appeals to the male adolescent to 45 demographic and Weinstein as an intellectual centrist.

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In hindsight I want to explain my comment on the arrogant heart sowing the seed of hatred of Antifa
The truth is white supremacy, and anti-facist groups are what sprouts from the racist arrogant heart buried deep in America

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White Supremists vs ANTIFA. Sheesh.

Antifa has the right idea ( in combating supremacy ); however, their methods of violence are totally unacceptable and anarchistic, causing them to be no better than the monster they profess to hate.

I could be considered ANTIFA in that I despise white supremacy. However, I would lose my membership card for refusing to utilize violence.

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Violence, other than in self-defense, is bad.

Please let me know if someone somewhere is distributing ANTIFA membership cards.

I'll frame it and put it next to my Satanic Temple Membership Certificate.

Peace,
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Valeriyabeyond said:



In hindsight I want to explain my comment on the arrogant heart sowing the seed of hatred of Antifa
The truth is white supremacy, and anti-facist groups are what sprouts from the racist arrogant heart buried deep in America


White supremacy definitely; but, I don't know about ANTIFA sprouting from a racist heart, Val. They're fighting white supremacy, which would indicate they're fighting the evil of racism—albeit the wrong way ( imho ) with violence.  

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Violence, other than in self-defense, is bad.

Please let me know if someone somewhere is distributing ANTIFA membership cards.

I'll frame it and put it next to my Satanic Temple Membership Certificate.

Peace,
A
P.S. Adhavati, I'm being serious; and I'm glad you brought up the issue of "membership."
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Ahavati said:White Supremists vs ANTIFA. Sheesh.

Antifa has the right idea ( in combating supremacy ); however, their methods of violence are totally unacceptable and anarchistic, causing them to be no better than the monster they profess to hate.

I could be considered ANTIFA in that I despise white supremacy. However, I would lose my membership card for refusing to utilize violence.



the premise for my post was that violence and hate crime, hate speech behavior is arrogant and stems from bigotry
No matter the objective they are of the same seed

To represent anti-racist ideology with violence and exhibit behavior that is less than prudent you are robbing yourself of  your purpose .

Antifa has been birthed from bigotry the proof is in their actions
To stand along side black America in solidarity is a publicity stunt paid for by none other than the likes of Soros who is capatilizing on this so called movement to create discord

United we stand divided we fall is the motto for America in these times
The "powers" that be who control the masses have done nothing but separate the very fabric of America with lockdown and by supporting the rioting under the guise of a good cause Black Lives Matter

It's a farce penned by the farceur

The true warriors are those who still stand for America as a melting pot and those who believe in the Constitution
We believe in our right to pursue happiness in a peaceful way
Our rights to pursue our lives as we choose have been taken away from us through this pandemic
Which I believe is being used to tear us down and control us.



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Valeriyabeyond said:


the premise for my post was that violence and hate crime, hate speech behavior is arrogant and stems from bigotry
No matter the objective they are of the same seed

To represent anti-racist ideology with violence and exhibit behavior that is less than prudent you are robbing yourself of  your purpose .

Antifa has been birthed from bigotry the proof is in their actions
To stand along side black America in solidarity is a publicity stunt paid for by none other than the likes of Soros who is capatilizing on this so called movement to create discord

United we stand divided we fall is the motto for America in these times
The "powers" that be who control the masses have done nothing but separate the very fabric of America with lockdown and by supporting the rioting under the guise of a good cause Black Lives Matter

It's a farce penned by the farceur

The true warriors are those who still stand for America as a melting pot and those who believe in the Constitution
We believe in our right to pursue happiness in a peaceful way
Our rights to pursue our lives as we choose have been taken away from us through this pandemic
Which I believe is being used to tear us down and control us.




Not that this has anything to do with the subject of ANTIFA ...

... but there would be less people alive to control if there hadn't been lockdowns in the first place.

And if lockdowns are a control tactic, they are quite useless if the end result is less taxes being collected by the supposed controllers.

Also, if lockdowns piss off the very people who put you in control, why would you order a lockdown and risk your removal from power?

None of this makes any sense.

Seems the only people being controlled ( by politicians ) these days are the ones subscribing to lies about stolen elections and acting violent in response.

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