Who/what/where/why is ANTIFA?
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Andres__Castro
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Ahavati said:
Hi, Andres. I am very aware Ngo is considered a conservative journalist ( though he refers to himself as central-right ).
I have no issue reading articles from either side. On the contrary; I need that to develop the contrast for my intuitional beliefs to align with truth for me. That may be the journalist in me, but I do look for centrist views. I felt Ngo's statements regarding the capital attack not being ANTIFA more or less disenfranchised him from a ultra-right conservative base who claims it was ANTIFA behind the attack.
If his statements are fair and unbiased, it appears his book ( which I have not read ) may be as well.
How else can you uncover truth without contrast? My father taught me that one needs to look at what both sides research to be guaranteed that truth will be found in the middle.
Hi, Andres. I am very aware Ngo is considered a conservative journalist ( though he refers to himself as central-right ).
I have no issue reading articles from either side. On the contrary; I need that to develop the contrast for my intuitional beliefs to align with truth for me. That may be the journalist in me, but I do look for centrist views. I felt Ngo's statements regarding the capital attack not being ANTIFA more or less disenfranchised him from a ultra-right conservative base who claims it was ANTIFA behind the attack.
If his statements are fair and unbiased, it appears his book ( which I have not read ) may be as well.
How else can you uncover truth without contrast? My father taught me that one needs to look at what both sides research to be guaranteed that truth will be found in the middle.
Andres__Castro
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Thanks for playing Ahavati!
I like looking at more than the expected two sides of an subject/issue. I would feel better looking at 10 sides if at all possible.
Below just some reposting of today’s links, initial links on the information sources, and a conversation starting video, perhaps.
Logging off.
Peace,
A
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/expert-andy-ngo-it-wasnt-antifa-at-the-capitol-riots
https://www.centerstreet.com/titles/andy-ngo/unmasked/9781549131981/
Background on info source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo
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https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2020/10/30/unmasking-antifa-in-new-book-experts-expose-ideology-tactics-and-fundraising-of-rapidly-growing-threat-to-american-security/
Background on info source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Security_Policy
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Don’t really want to post a Joe Rogan Youtube video, but Eric Weinstein presents a model on far left (ANTIFA) and far right (PROUD BOYS) extremist groups that I see as a possible conversation starter for some who want to take this thread seriously. I see Rogan as slightly left of center podcaster that appeals to the adolescent to 45 demographic and Weinstein as an intellectual centrist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fup7Fcs7UM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Weinstein
I like looking at more than the expected two sides of an subject/issue. I would feel better looking at 10 sides if at all possible.
Below just some reposting of today’s links, initial links on the information sources, and a conversation starting video, perhaps.
Logging off.
Peace,
A
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/expert-andy-ngo-it-wasnt-antifa-at-the-capitol-riots
https://www.centerstreet.com/titles/andy-ngo/unmasked/9781549131981/
Background on info source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo
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https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2020/10/30/unmasking-antifa-in-new-book-experts-expose-ideology-tactics-and-fundraising-of-rapidly-growing-threat-to-american-security/
Background on info source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Security_Policy
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Don’t really want to post a Joe Rogan Youtube video, but Eric Weinstein presents a model on far left (ANTIFA) and far right (PROUD BOYS) extremist groups that I see as a possible conversation starter for some who want to take this thread seriously. I see Rogan as slightly left of center podcaster that appeals to the adolescent to 45 demographic and Weinstein as an intellectual centrist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fup7Fcs7UM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Weinstein
Andres__Castro said:Thanks for playing Ahavati!
I like looking at more than the expected two sides of an subject/issue. I would feel better looking at 10 sides if at all possible.
Below just some reposting of today’s links, initial links on the information sources, and a conversation starting video, perhaps.
Logging off.
Peace,
A
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/expert-andy-ngo-it-wasnt-antifa-at-the-capitol-riots
https://www.centerstreet.com/titles/andy-ngo/unmasked/9781549131981/
Background on info source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo
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https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2020/10/30/unmasking-antifa-in-new-book-experts-expose-ideology-tactics-and-fundraising-of-rapidly-growing-threat-to-american-security/
Background on info source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Security_Policy
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Don’t really want to post a Joe Rogan Youtube video, but Eric Weinstein presents a model on far left (ANTIFA) and far right (PROUD BOYS) extremist groups that I see as a possible conversation starter for some who want to take this thread seriously. I see Rogan as slightly left of center podcaster that appeals to the adolescent to 45 demographic and Weinstein as an intellectual centrist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fup7Fcs7UM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Weinstein
Dang it! I thought you said you didn't want YouTube videos! Or did I misread/understand what you meant.
I am a big fan of Bret Weinstein ( Eric's brother ) and Heather Heying's Darkhorse podcasts. I've watched Eric a few times but not lately. I'll give it a listen when I have time.
I like looking at more than the expected two sides of an subject/issue. I would feel better looking at 10 sides if at all possible.
Below just some reposting of today’s links, initial links on the information sources, and a conversation starting video, perhaps.
Logging off.
Peace,
A
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/expert-andy-ngo-it-wasnt-antifa-at-the-capitol-riots
https://www.centerstreet.com/titles/andy-ngo/unmasked/9781549131981/
Background on info source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo
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https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2020/10/30/unmasking-antifa-in-new-book-experts-expose-ideology-tactics-and-fundraising-of-rapidly-growing-threat-to-american-security/
Background on info source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Security_Policy
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Don’t really want to post a Joe Rogan Youtube video, but Eric Weinstein presents a model on far left (ANTIFA) and far right (PROUD BOYS) extremist groups that I see as a possible conversation starter for some who want to take this thread seriously. I see Rogan as slightly left of center podcaster that appeals to the adolescent to 45 demographic and Weinstein as an intellectual centrist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fup7Fcs7UM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Weinstein
Dang it! I thought you said you didn't want YouTube videos! Or did I misread/understand what you meant.
I am a big fan of Bret Weinstein ( Eric's brother ) and Heather Heying's Darkhorse podcasts. I've watched Eric a few times but not lately. I'll give it a listen when I have time.
Andres__Castro
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I like looking at more than the expected two sides of a subject. I would feel better looking at 10 sides if at all possible.
Below just some reposting of today’s links, initial links on the information sources, and a conversation starting video, perhaps.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/expert-andy-ngo-it-wasnt-antifa-at-the-capitol-riots
https://www.centerstreet.com/titles/andy-ngo/unmasked/9781549131981/
Background on info source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo
Background on info source: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo
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https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2020/10/30/unmasking-antifa-in-new-book-experts-expose-ideology-tactics-and-fundraising-of-rapidly-growing-threat-to-american-security/
Background on info source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Security_Policy
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Don’t really want to post a Joe Rogan Youtube video, but Eric Weinstein presents a model on far left (ANTIFA) and far right (PROUD BOYS) extremist groups that I see as a possible conversation starter for some who want to take this thread seriously. I see Rogan as slightly left of center podcaster that appeals to the adolescent to 45 demographic and Weinstein as an intellectual centrist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fup7Fcs7UM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Weinstein
* I regret posting this Youtube video. Trying to stay away from these and could have picked something much better with more
credible voices and experts on the topic.
* Added another info link on Andy Ngo above: he's not looking so good.
* And the Center For Security Policy's background and work does not look so hot either.
Below just some reposting of today’s links, initial links on the information sources, and a conversation starting video, perhaps.
*********************************************************************************
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/expert-andy-ngo-it-wasnt-antifa-at-the-capitol-riots
https://www.centerstreet.com/titles/andy-ngo/unmasked/9781549131981/
Background on info source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo
Background on info source: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo
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https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2020/10/30/unmasking-antifa-in-new-book-experts-expose-ideology-tactics-and-fundraising-of-rapidly-growing-threat-to-american-security/
Background on info source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Security_Policy
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Don’t really want to post a Joe Rogan Youtube video, but Eric Weinstein presents a model on far left (ANTIFA) and far right (PROUD BOYS) extremist groups that I see as a possible conversation starter for some who want to take this thread seriously. I see Rogan as slightly left of center podcaster that appeals to the adolescent to 45 demographic and Weinstein as an intellectual centrist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fup7Fcs7UM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Weinstein
* I regret posting this Youtube video. Trying to stay away from these and could have picked something much better with more
credible voices and experts on the topic.
* Added another info link on Andy Ngo above: he's not looking so good.
* And the Center For Security Policy's background and work does not look so hot either.
Andres__Castro
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/expert-andy-ngo-it-wasnt-antifa-at-the-capitol-riots
https://www.centerstreet.com/titles/andy-ngo/unmasked/9781549131981/
Background on info source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo
Background on info source: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo
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https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2020/10/30/unmasking-antifa-in-new-book-experts-expose-ideology-tactics-and-fundraising-of-rapidly-growing-threat-to-american-security/
Background on info source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Security_Policy
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Don’t really want to post a Joe Rogan Youtube video, but Eric Weinstein presents a model on far left (ANTIFA) and far right (PROUD BOYS) extremist groups that I see as a possible conversation starter for some who want to take this thread seriously. I see Rogan as slightly left of center podcaster that appeals to the adolescent to 45 demographic and Weinstein as an intellectual centrist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fup7Fcs7UM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Weinstein
* I regret posting this Youtube video. Trying to stay away from these and could have picked something much better with more
credible voices and experts on the topic.
* Added another info link on Andy Ngo above: he's not looking so good.
* And the Center For Security Policy's background and work does not look so hot either.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/expert-andy-ngo-it-wasnt-antifa-at-the-capitol-riots
https://www.centerstreet.com/titles/andy-ngo/unmasked/9781549131981/
Background on info source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo
Background on info source: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo
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https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2020/10/30/unmasking-antifa-in-new-book-experts-expose-ideology-tactics-and-fundraising-of-rapidly-growing-threat-to-american-security/
Background on info source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Security_Policy
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Don’t really want to post a Joe Rogan Youtube video, but Eric Weinstein presents a model on far left (ANTIFA) and far right (PROUD BOYS) extremist groups that I see as a possible conversation starter for some who want to take this thread seriously. I see Rogan as slightly left of center podcaster that appeals to the adolescent to 45 demographic and Weinstein as an intellectual centrist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fup7Fcs7UM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Weinstein
* I regret posting this Youtube video. Trying to stay away from these and could have picked something much better with more
credible voices and experts on the topic.
* Added another info link on Andy Ngo above: he's not looking so good.
* And the Center For Security Policy's background and work does not look so hot either.
JohnnyBlaze
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This pretty much sums up the U.S. version.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)
There have been multiple efforts to discredit antifa groups via hoaxes on social media, many of them false flag attacks originating from alt-right and 4chan users posing as antifa backers on Twitter.[17][18][19] Some hoaxes have been picked up and reported as fact by right-leaning media.[17][20][21] During the George Floyd protests in May and June 2020, the Trump administration blamed antifa for orchestrating the mass protests; analysis of federal arrests did not find links to antifa.[22] There have been repeated calls by Donald Trump and William Barr to designate antifa as a terrorist organization[23] despite the fact that it is not an organization, a move that academics, legal experts, and others argue would exceed the authority of the presidency and violate the First Amendment.[24][25][26] Several analyses, reports, and studies concluded that antifa is not a major domestic terrorism risk and ranked far-right extremism and white supremacy as the top domestic risk.[16][27][28]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)
There have been multiple efforts to discredit antifa groups via hoaxes on social media, many of them false flag attacks originating from alt-right and 4chan users posing as antifa backers on Twitter.[17][18][19] Some hoaxes have been picked up and reported as fact by right-leaning media.[17][20][21] During the George Floyd protests in May and June 2020, the Trump administration blamed antifa for orchestrating the mass protests; analysis of federal arrests did not find links to antifa.[22] There have been repeated calls by Donald Trump and William Barr to designate antifa as a terrorist organization[23] despite the fact that it is not an organization, a move that academics, legal experts, and others argue would exceed the authority of the presidency and violate the First Amendment.[24][25][26] Several analyses, reports, and studies concluded that antifa is not a major domestic terrorism risk and ranked far-right extremism and white supremacy as the top domestic risk.[16][27][28]
Andres__Castro
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Updated information leads. Thank you for links Ahavati, Johnny B, Dhyana.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)
https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/534192/
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/expert-andy-ngo-it-wasnt-antifa-at-the-capitol-riots
https://www.centerstreet.com/titles/andy-ngo/unmasked/9781549131981/
Background on info source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo
Background on info source: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo
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https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2020/10/30/unmasking-antifa-in-new-book-experts-expose-ideology-tactics-and-fundraising-of-rapidly-growing-threat-to-american-security/
Background on info source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Security_Policy
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Don’t really want to post a Joe Rogan Youtube video, but Eric Weinstein presents a model on far left (ANTIFA) and far right (PROUD BOYS) extremist groups that I see as a possible conversation starter for those who want to take this thread seriously. I see Rogan as a slightly left of center podcaster that appeals to the male adolescent to 45 demographic and Weinstein as an intellectual centrist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fup7Fcs7UM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Weinstein
* I regret posting this Youtube video. Trying to stay away from these and could have picked something much better with more
credible voices and experts on the topic.
* Added another info link on Andy Ngo above: he's not looking so good.
* And the Center For Security Policy's background and work does not look so hot either.
*Added newest links at the top.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)
https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/534192/
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/expert-andy-ngo-it-wasnt-antifa-at-the-capitol-riots
https://www.centerstreet.com/titles/andy-ngo/unmasked/9781549131981/
Background on info source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo
Background on info source: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo
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https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2020/10/30/unmasking-antifa-in-new-book-experts-expose-ideology-tactics-and-fundraising-of-rapidly-growing-threat-to-american-security/
Background on info source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Security_Policy
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Don’t really want to post a Joe Rogan Youtube video, but Eric Weinstein presents a model on far left (ANTIFA) and far right (PROUD BOYS) extremist groups that I see as a possible conversation starter for those who want to take this thread seriously. I see Rogan as a slightly left of center podcaster that appeals to the male adolescent to 45 demographic and Weinstein as an intellectual centrist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fup7Fcs7UM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Weinstein
* I regret posting this Youtube video. Trying to stay away from these and could have picked something much better with more
credible voices and experts on the topic.
* Added another info link on Andy Ngo above: he's not looking so good.
* And the Center For Security Policy's background and work does not look so hot either.
*Added newest links at the top.
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Blackwolf
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First , just saying , anyone with the
name Castro , I inherently do not trust...
*However*...
Regardless , with your repeated posts , within new posts ,
denouncing former posts , just what are you trying to prove...
Or accomplish , other than leading a rabbit down a gopher hole ?
What exactly is it , you believe at the core ?
No bullshit now , no weaseling , spit out your core belief , or you are done...
Who are you , what do you truly believe at your core , why are you posting ?
Truth time...;)
name Castro , I inherently do not trust...
*However*...
Regardless , with your repeated posts , within new posts ,
denouncing former posts , just what are you trying to prove...
Or accomplish , other than leading a rabbit down a gopher hole ?
What exactly is it , you believe at the core ?
No bullshit now , no weaseling , spit out your core belief , or you are done...
Who are you , what do you truly believe at your core , why are you posting ?
Truth time...;)
Andres__Castro
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Blackwolf said:First , just saying , anyone with the
name Castro , I inherently do not trust...
*However*...
Regardless , with your repeated posts , within new posts ,
denouncing former posts , just what are you trying to prove...
Or accomplish , other than leading a rabbit down a gopher hole ?
What exactly is it , you believe at the core ?
No bullshit now , no weaseling , spit out your core belief , or you are done...
Who are you , what do you truly believe at your core , why are you posting ?
Truth time...;)
name Castro , I inherently do not trust...
*However*...
Regardless , with your repeated posts , within new posts ,
denouncing former posts , just what are you trying to prove...
Or accomplish , other than leading a rabbit down a gopher hole ?
What exactly is it , you believe at the core ?
No bullshit now , no weaseling , spit out your core belief , or you are done...
Who are you , what do you truly believe at your core , why are you posting ?
Truth time...;)
Blackwolf
I.M.Blackwolf
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Yes , I said what I said...
I can have respect for other , and most times do...
I can have respect for you , and your beliefs , and truths...
Yet , exactly what are you trying to say here , with posts
within posts , that have posts that you first espouse , then deny ?
It does not make sense to me , at all...
So , *that* is why I said what I said...
I can have respect for other , and most times do...
I can have respect for you , and your beliefs , and truths...
Yet , exactly what are you trying to say here , with posts
within posts , that have posts that you first espouse , then deny ?
It does not make sense to me , at all...
So , *that* is why I said what I said...
Andres__Castro
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Thread Introduction
Off the cuff opinions are unstoppable but would be nice if anything posted could be backed by highly and widely respected journalists and authors. For example: I would respect the BBC more than Fox News. I would respect the work of authors/journalists who have peer reviewed articles and books on Antifa over those who never did any scholarly work or appeared in major newspapers and magazines. Things pulled from YouTube, twitter, Facebook, just doesn't do it for me. As far I know ANTIFA has a long history and people who support it fall on a spectrum....a spectrum with a quickly growing number of 20 to 40 somethings...who happen to be out of work with narrowing prospects and choking student loans.
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Updated information leads. Thank you for contributing links, Ahavati, Johnny B, Dhyana. Hoping folks interested in this thread will make the time to click and read some, before starting the conversation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)
https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/534192/
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/expert-andy-ngo-it-wasnt-antifa-at-the-capitol-riots
https://www.centerstreet.com/titles/andy-ngo/unmasked/9781549131981/
Background on info source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo
Background on info source: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo
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https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2020/10/30/unmasking-antifa-in-new-book-experts-expose-ideology-tactics-and-fundraising-of-rapidly-growing-threat-to-american-security/
Background on info source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Security_Policy
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Don’t really want to post a Joe Rogan Youtube video, but Eric Weinstein presents a model on far left (ANTIFA) and far right (PROUD BOYS) extremist groups that I see as a possible conversation starter for some who want to take this thread seriously. I see Rogan as slightly left of center podcaster that appeals to the male adolescent to 45 demographic and Weinstein as an intellectual centrist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fup7Fcs7UM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Weinstein
* I regret posting this Youtube video. Trying to stay away from these and could have picked something much better with more
credible voices and experts on the topic.
* Added another info link on Andy Ngo above: he's not looking so good.
* And the Center For Security Policy's background and work does not look so hot either.
* Recent links added at the top.
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Blackwolf
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Okay , Andres...Thank you...
And just so you know , I did not mean to offend you ,
I was just being honest , as far as someone else's
name , and was triggered by the link to politics...
I grew up in a very anti - that person household...
I apologize...
And just so you know , I did not mean to offend you ,
I was just being honest , as far as someone else's
name , and was triggered by the link to politics...
I grew up in a very anti - that person household...
I apologize...
