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JohnnyBlaze said:

So you didn't watch the entire movie. I can see how that would skew your overall opinion. Especially the viewing of clips out of context. Fair Enough.

I've not tasted more than 1% of all the cheeses in the world, yet I condemn them all as distasteful.




I dont want to watch the whole movie. I dont want to see 11yo dressed like adults and dancing  in a provocative manner. I dont want to see anything like it again


I'm not Christian or conservative. I dont want that kind of stuff normalized. why is that a problem ?


if that's your thing...

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lepperochan said:



I dont want to watch the whole movie. I dont want to see 11yo dressed like adults and dancing  in a provocative manner. I dont want to see anything like it again


I'm not Christian or conservative. I dont want that kind of stuff normalized. why is that a problem ?


if that's your thing...


Uhh, I never asked for your opinion on that movie in the first place. I asked Val if she had watched the entire movie or based her opinion about Netflix on other movies.

I merely commented on your halfassed assessment.

But thank you for inferring something nasty about me!

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Freedom of speech.. I never gave you my opinion in the first place. I posted it, you quoted it, I replied. inferred nothing.

have a nice day

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JohnnyBlaze said:

Uhh, I never asked for your opinion on that movie in the first place. I asked Val if she had watched the entire movie or based her opinion about Netflix on other movies.

I merely commented on your halfassed assessment.

But thank you for inferring something nasty about me!



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Recently, a local man was kidnapped, robbed and murdered by two people he met on Craig's List, he thought were interested in purchasing his car. It brought to mind safety concerns. Are we assuming we are safe? My friend, David, posted this, I thought I would share here. I agree with most of his; however, I don't carry a concealed weapon, but I do have mace, a personal keychain alarm, etc. Which, I think if I was ever in this position, would help me, being I would never meet anyone I didn't know unless a public, well-occupied place.

Seeing a lot of posts this morning about the tragedy. It's something he apparently had done many times before.  Certainly, this is a loss for his family that no one should experience.  I think what people don't understand is that the world is inherently unsafe.  You are not safe.  We have all been conditioned to believe in the illusion of safety, which is not serving us.  Ultimately YOU are responsible for your safety, NOT the cops, NOT the government, NOT the security at whatever store where you happen to be shopping.  It's on you.  As someone who has been studying this stuff for several years, I am happy to provide some tips:

1)  Have an awareness:  Of your surroundings, the people in them, and possible escape routes.  At all times.  Don't walk around with your head in your phone, don't walk around in a fog.  Look around.
Use your 5 senses.  It's simple.

2)  Know your limits and improve upon them:  Are you easily overpowered?  Can you fight?  If the answer's no, learn how.  Are you physically unable to defend yourself?  There are plenty of options if you cannot (including number 4, below).  

3)  Research:  If you are going to meet somebody, make sure you have a full name and the location where they live or from where they are coming.  Then, use the wonderful device you are sitting in front of to research said person.  Most people's info is just a Google search and a few clicks away. It has a file on each of you (haha, but seriously...).

4)  Obtain, train with, and carry your weapon:  Legally, within the confines of your local laws, please do this.  Emphasis on safety and train, train, train.  If you carry a lethal (or non-lethal) weapon, you'd better be training with it.  Most people are not, including most Law Enforcement Officers, which is among the many reasons why we are having some of the problems we have.  

Every time I go to do one of my Internet sales deals in the parking lot of a Walmart, I am carrying.  I make sure I am in plain view of lots of witnesses, and that there are cameras trained on the area.  If convenient, I have backup, who is also armed, sitting in the car.  It doesn't matter how much trust I the person I am meeting.  Even with all of these things in place, it is impossible for me to be 100% safe.  This is the risk I am accepting.  However, we can decrease the risk by taking the aforementioned steps.  Grab a coffee and Google up some stories of parking lot deals gone wrong.  Get ready to read for at least an hour.  Stay safe out there and please, please, use the senses with which you were gifted at birth to develop and practice awareness.

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Ahavati said:Recently, a local man was kidnapped, robbed and murdered by two people he met on Craig's List, he thought were interested in purchasing his car. It brought to mind safety concerns. Are we assuming we are safe? My friend, David, posted this, I thought I would share here. I agree with most of his; however, I don't carry a concealed weapon, but I do have mace, a personal keychain alarm, etc. Which, I think if I was ever in this position, would help me, being I would never meet anyone I didn't know unless a public, well-occupied place.



You well know that I am of the firm belief that everything happens for a reason.

I think that the more one focuses on not being safe, the more one alters their  behavior into a defensive posture that causes them to be susceptible to the very dangers their energy is invested into thwarting.

You hear the stories about similar events repeatedly happening to the same people as if they were magnets. The term "jerk magnet" immediately comes to mind. I see certain people as "accident magnets" or "crime magnets" or even "money magnets".  It all depends on where an individual's energy is channeled resulting in the type of events and people they attract.

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You well know that I am of the firm belief that everything happens for a reason.

I think that the more one focuses on not being safe, the more one alters their  behavior into a defensive posture that causes them to be susceptible to the very dangers their energy is invested into thwarting.

You hear the stories about similar events repeatedly happening to the same people as if they were magnets. The term "jerk magnet" immediately comes to mind. I see certain people as "accident magnets" or "crime magnets" or even "money magnets".


I'm uncertain that's where David was coming from. I think his message is more, "Be cautious out there" right now, the world is in turmoil and people are doing crazy things."  It's the same mentality that those who say, "Ah to hell with covid and masks. If I get it and die I get it and die." And a few have, unfortunately.  

There's a difference in being cautious and foolish. But I definitely agree with what you're saying regarding the Law of Attraction.

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Ahavati said:

I'm uncertain that's where David was coming from. I think his message is more, "Be cautious out there" right now, the world is in turmoil and people are doing crazy things."  It's the same mentality that those who say, "Ah to hell with covid and masks. If I get it and die I get it and die." And a few have, unfortunately.  

There's a difference in being cautious and foolish. But I definitely agree with what you're saying regarding the Law of Attraction.


Cautious is good; its the behaviour of someone aware of what is going on around them and taking the time to examine scenerios, situations, and environments they are entering into.

Foolish is not taking anything seriously and thinking you are invincible like on those MTV Jackass shows.

Agreed, huge difference, and I'd cautiously avoid the latter.

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When we as viewers decide to watch a movie we normally base our decision to watch or not watch on clips sent out by the network or distributors.  It's the bait they toss to catch the eye of their intended fan base .
It's all in the advertising
To choose the clips they have chosen tells alot about Netflix and their intention
They chose to provoke the degerate pedophile as their fan base.
As much could be said of Brooke Shields and the movie that made her famous ©The Blue Lagoon
Nothing but soft porn

I did not watch ©Cuties I saw the clips that was all I needed to base my opinion
The same as the beauty pageant for little girls the exploitation of children such as Jon Benet Ramsey.

Pedophilia is being presented as a normal part of society even going as far as calling it a sexual preference or claiming it's their right to choose.

It's disgusting exploitation to peddle a child's sexuality and the parents should be charged with child endangerment

Ask the adults who were sexually abused as children the ones who were robbed of their right to choose
My daughter in law who had her pelvis broken at six years old by her Uncle who thought it was his right have sex with a child taking away her ability to ever have children of her own.
This is the type of behavior movies like ©Cuties  is provoking in people who are prone to these actions

The media is deliberately ignoring the rescuing of thousands of children from the pedo ring of Jeffery Epstein the torture, raping, and murder of children for sick pleasure
Their adrenochrome a commodity
It's movies like ©Cuties that desensitizes the public into thinking it's okay
It's not okay
#Saveourchildren


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Val, while I respect your opinions, and agree that advertising is pure baiting; I disagree with your assessment that this movie promotes pedophelia in any way. The message is totally opposite; but, just as a quote, you would never know the complete context without reading it in its entirety.

I think the previews * trigger * individuals ( for whatever reason ), and they base their opinion on those triggers, thus closing their mind to knowing the whole truth.

You and I both know truth isn't pretty many times. It's raw and reflective of life. This director did an amazing job actually showing vs inferring what this type of behaviour leads to. It was based on her own personal experiences. Personally, there are parents who condone their daughter's dance classes, which are prevocative as well. That is displayed in the style and the costumes.

I pulled my dauther after three years. I felt the moves were becoming * too suggestive * for her age. No 8 year-old should be gyrating their hips in a suggestive manner, with skimpy costume.

Again, I would watch this with my daughter had it been released back then,  just so she could see the downfall of not being herself, but bending to conform and be accepted by peers.

That being said, I absolutely AGREE human trafficking is an issue.  Charlotte, NC was deemed one of the hightest areas for kidnappings. Many cities with international airports are because it's a quick grab and go. MORE needs to be done to raise awareness and international  intervention.

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If,  a media outlet were to produce,  a featured spot on the porn industry, if they were to show  examples, of how they
believe the  industry destroys lives with drugs,   exploitation, mental Illness all the issues that are directly related to the  industry, they would show,  pornographic images as teasers.
Subliminal messages,  with  writhing bodies,
and vocalizations that mimic those that are heard during the act of sex
while at the same time
the narrator would be denouncing pornography.  

The viewer is tuned in
for the porn,  not for the education.  The messages received by the brain
are that of carnal knowledge and promiscuity they are a  direct result of the presentation and of the material that was received

If you do not have pedo tendecies you would not be affected by the Netflix production,  on the other hand, the attempt to desensitize has been
going on for quite some time.
Children dancing  provocatively in
the name of art or fame.  
is a brainwashing technique used on society through the media.

The result of the brainwashing is society  doing what those pushing their agenda expects them to do. Conforming to their disgusting practice of exploiting children
 they are priming the masses  for the next step

If we continue to close
our eyes to the random injections of pedophilia presented to us in a package that represents everyday life  a sort of shock therapy we will become numb and won't care when a ten or twelve year old child becomes Americas next top model
Or the next Jenna Jameson

Stories such as these you may call a trigger to my emotional attachment to this subject
That would indicate a discrepancy in my thinking
Such as triggering PTSD or triggering my need to use drugs if I were an addict
That is not a clear picture of the triggering aspect that goes on in my head
or the seriousness of my concern
It triggers for me,  a warning,  not a false perception of war,  or the comfort of drugs,  but of reality.
What happens is,  I see
the pedophiliac mind being provoked.
I see a child in danger
I don't see normal
This is not okay  
#Saveourchildren

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Val; I get where you're coming from; and I wasn't directing the * triggering * comment at you personally. It was a general statement about how the majority of people become triggered by something and refuse to see past that trigger. That is a psychological fact. Every person I've spoken with who is against this film has not seen the entire film.

That is mindboggling to me in light of what the history is, i.e. - the director's own personal experience.

The one very important fact that people are forgetting here are that the parents of these girls were supervising them, and gave their permission for them to particpate in this production because they believed in its message. At the end of the film, it shows an audience absolutely * disgusted * with the girl's performance. It shows mothers covering their children's eyes; it shows adults in shock and booing/thumbs downing the performance; it shows judges shaking their heads, and so forth.

It's right then that the protagonist realizes what she has done, and leaves the stage. She goes home to her mother, and chooses the stringent life she left in attemps to belong to and be accepted by her peers, realizing it's not only the right way, but, her authentic self.

In the end it shows her skipping rope, as girls her age should be doing; and she's happier than she's ever been.

That is hardly pushing pedophilia. On the contrary, it's a social commentary against the sexualization of young girls.

In an interview, the director said, "Today, the sexier and the more objectified a woman is, the more value she has in the eyes of social media." It's the truth! Just look at the duck-faces and unbelievable photos circulating out there by young girls!

Where are their parents?! When my daughter was that age, I knew where she was practically every minute! Personally, to me, the bottom line message of this film is supervise your damn children. Not just in real life, but on the internet as well. Those who don't are allowing thier children to be sucked into a vortex of peer pressure, which more ofte than not involves their sexualization.

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^ agreed

Val, if you had the governmental authority and power to prevent Netflix and other outlets from streaming "Cuties", would you?

And if YES, how would you suggest the movie be made in order to pass such a censorship line in the sand?

Adult actors replacing the child actors is possible, with a disclaimer at the beginning that none of the actors are children ... but it wouldn't be as believable unless the adults could pass for tweens. And if they could pass for tweens, then you have the same dilemma.

So how do you rewrite and refilm a movie with the same "positive anti child sexualization message" Ahavati has indepthly relayed?

Of course, without seeing the entire movie, I'm not sure you could offer an alternative script.

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Don't underestimate me Johnny, I could write the perfect script if I put my mind to it,  but it is not something I would ever,  put my energy into .

All very fair and mature questions Johnny.
First,  no I would not ban it's production or halt it's presentation if I were in authority.  
I completely agree and support the freedom of expression.
As I've said before,  I've been arrested and gone to jail for my right to free speech.

I could be out protesting this manner of exploitation right now,  this is how strongly I feel about this issue.
At my age,  and my zero free time,  I cannot do much but complain to you.
Thank you for lending your ear so generously.  

I can encourage through petition,  which I do.
I recently posted a petition against Amazon for their image of a child a girl wearing a t-shirt advertising the art of Japanese bondage.
Inappropriate for an eight year old girl to wear.

Due to my flighty nature,
I spout off with out a plan due course.
So,  off the cuff,  to answer your question,  what would I do differently with this film,  is I would offer  disclaimer for one.
Denouncing exploitation.

Which they may have done. I  don't know I admitted I did not watch it .
Have warning messages
to those who may be affected by the images
as they sometimes do
for war documentaries
Make it publicly clear to the viewer that the affects of this type of lifestyle can not only lead to the heartache experienced by  those involved in their depiction,  but also to the dangers of pedophilia and child trafficking

A documentary within a documentary expressing the concerns of where this lifestyle could lead
Of course, too much, would take the emphasis off their message

The cutting away of the camera,  before the child grabs her crotch would help, the close ups are
not necessary

I cannot claim to be a director or production manager so I cannot foresee what it entails
to make a film  
I only know what I as a viewer, can do without

I do not have girls,  I have three boys,  and i do not have grandchildren.
I was never a "princess" as a child I was G-Joe
Oh heavens,  that's a whole new issue where parents promote war .

My point here,  is that I can't say how I would feel,  or what I would do differently as a parent as far as enrolling them in dance class, but I think I would lean more towards Tai  Kwon Do

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Ahavati said:Val; I get where you're coming from; and I wasn't directing the * triggering * comment at you personally. It was a general statement about how the majority of people become triggered by something and refuse to see past that trigger. That is a psychological fact. Every person I've spoken with who is against this film has not seen the entire film.

That is mindboggling to me in light of what the history is, i.e. - the director's own personal experience.

The one very important fact that people are forgetting here are that the parents of these girls were supervising them, and gave their permission for them to particpate in this production because they believed in its message. At the end of the film, it shows an audience absolutely * disgusted * with the girl's performance. It shows mothers covering their children's eyes; it shows adults in shock and booing/thumbs downing the performance; it shows judges shaking their heads, and so forth.

It's right then that the protagonist realizes what she has done, and leaves the stage. She goes home to her mother, and chooses the stringent life she left in attemps to belong to and be accepted by her peers, realizing it's not only the right way, but, her authentic self.

In the end it shows her skipping rope, as girls her age should be doing; and she's happier than she's ever been.

That is hardly pushing pedophilia. On the contrary, it's a social commentary against the sexualization of young girls.

In an interview, the director said, "Today, the sexier and the more objectified a woman is, the more value she has in the eyes of social media." It's the truth! Just look at the duck-faces and unbelievable photos circulating out there by young girls!

Where are their parents?! When my daughter was that age, I knew where she was practically every minute! Personally, to me, the bottom line message of this film is supervise your damn children. Not just in real life, but on the internet as well. Those who don't are allowing thier children to be sucked into a vortex of peer pressure, which more ofte than not involves their sexualization.



Ahavati, thank you  for your explanation of the film,  and for a much respected debate.
There is nothing about the film I would be interested in watching.

I am glad,  if in fact this film changes lives I'm hoping that would be their goal

My main complaint is
the subtle messages the subliminal impact that affects us all
The direct targeting through television and films to alter our perception
People don't know themselves they have lost what the meaning of "I" is
Formed into a concept of what society expects them to be
Through images and frequency they are molded
The soldiers of the future the AI mentality has been training kids up through video games on how to extinguish humanity with the push of a button
If we don't open our eyes to the damage this brainwashing causes we will eventually lose identity.

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