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JohnnyBlaze said:Regarding the Eddy Grant monologue?

I felt he was unnecessarily lumping people into groups. I'm as white as you can get, American, and I'm ( only ) showing my support for Blacks ( albeit through the Internets ). Trump is reducing his chances of being re-elected all on his own.

I also agree with Ahavati that peaceful protests and marches having made an impact - but I want to add that such is a way for people of different skin colors to stand together united in a common cause, which Grant seems to be overlooking in his disdain. Blacks benefit from knowing that most Whites have their backs rather than wondering what the hell we are doing holed up in our houses.

And Blacks or Whites have to be out in the street raising their voices to get the movement started so the Whites or Blacks can join in.

A LOT can be accomplished on the Internet, but ....

it's. just. not. the. same.



Thank you, JB.  I also could not endorse this perspective -- this lumping into groups.  As I've said to Ahavati, Eddy is sincere, but extremist views will not necessarily bring the resolutions we seek.

Again, my hope is in the millennials, who cannot understand the grudges held by their parents and grandparents.  Black and White, they are in the streets together, fighting for what their instincts tell them is right.

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cabcool said:

Thank you, JB.  I also could not endorse this perspective -- this lumping into groups.  As I've said to Ahavati, Eddy is sincere, but extremist views will not necessarily bring the resolutions we seek.

Again, my hope is in the millennials, who cannot understand the grudges held by their parents and grandparents.  Black and White, they are in the streets together, fighting for what their instincts tell them is right.


Cab, I thought you might be interested in lil Wayne’s perspective...
It’s touching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hxX5IlCjrs

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Things are not looking so good for my own nation at the moment.  The Governor-General's insignia depicts a White "angel" (St Michael) standing on the neck of a Black man deemed to be the devil.  The G-G is the Queen's figurehead representative in a former British colony.

The G-G has suspended use of the insignia.  But does that mean he and all his predecessors wore this insignia over the years without ever questioning its significance -- even at face value??  I have been struck a blow directly between the eyes.  What do you think?  Follow the two links below

((a) Newspaper story  https://www.stabroeknews.com/2020/06/27/news/regional/jamaica/jamaica-governor-general-suspends-use-of-insignia-depicting-black-man-as-Satan/

(b) Video footage:  https://youtu.be/xm7XpHRJ6aE

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EdibleWords said:

Cab, I thought you might be interested in lil Wayne’s perspective...
It’s touching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hxX5IlCjrs


Thank you, EW.  The link takes me to some destination other than YouTube.  I will try again tomorrow, DV.

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cabcool said:

Thank you, EW.  The link takes me to some destination other than YouTube.  I will try again tomorrow, DV.


Hoping it works.

.....

I really am struck by the symbol, too. Lucifer would love that insignia. Eek.

This is a problem for everyone to solve together, libs and conservatives both hate racism.

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cabcool said:
Wow!   I had no idea you were familiar with Eddy and his work.  He is sincere, if not a middle-of-the-road thinker.


Absolutely. He was the reason I came to love Reggae music. His style was different than Bob Marley or the jazz of Bobby McFerrin, but it was my first taste, nonetheless. Loved it sense!

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Additional post no problem whatsoever.  The parts make a wholesome whole.


They do make a whole, don't they?  And, yes, I read your disclaimer about his thoughts or beliefs not reflecting your own. I think it's very important that we listen to alternative views than our own.  They accomplish one of two things: they'll solidify our own beliefs or give us something to think about.**

Despite what I disagreed with, he hit the nail on the head with the white man. . .




**Disclaimer: I am not referring to the alternative views of Faux News, but actual intelligent individuals such as Eddy Grant.

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cabcool said:Things are not looking so good for my own nation at the moment.  The Governor-General's insignia depicts a White "angel" (St Michael) standing on the neck of a Black man deemed to be the devil.  The G-G is the Queen's figurehead representative in a former British colony.

The G-G has suspended use of the insignia.  But does that mean he and all his predecessors wore this insignia over the years without ever questioning its significance -- even at face value??  I have been struck a blow directly between the eyes.  What do you think?  Follow the two links below

((a) Newspaper story  https://www.stabroeknews.com/2020/06/27/news/regional/jamaica/jamaica-governor-general-suspends-use-of-insignia-depicting-black-man-as-Satan/

(b) Video footage:  https://youtu.be/xm7XpHRJ6aE


That is absolutely HORRIFYING and 10x's worse than the Confederate Flag! I think your governor general did the right thing by sending the Chancellor a letter requesting a revision of the image used on the medal.

His recommendation that it be changed to reflect an inclusive image of the shared humanity of all peoples is a perfect one.

How ironic that the foot is on the neck. . .Isn't it beautiful that the BLM movement here has inspired a worldwide change such as these?

I also found a new youtube channel, so thank you for that! Speaking of Youtube. . . .

Jimmy Fallon, the Original Hamilton Cast & The Roots Sing "Helpless" (At-Home Instruments)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo_s6PsVogI&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3i4M1N0TPoGAQCU9hUWcRWba3zibu6vvi7hsaqorwKPBPorbc6WEQR-lQ

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cabcool said:Things are not looking so good for my own nation at the moment.  The Governor-General's insignia depicts a White "angel" (St Michael) standing on the neck of a Black man deemed to be the devil.  The G-G is the Queen's figurehead representative in a former British colony.

The G-G has suspended use of the insignia.  But does that mean he and all his predecessors wore this insignia over the years without ever questioning its significance -- even at face value??  I have been struck a blow directly between the eyes.  What do you think?  Follow the two links below

((a) Newspaper story  https://www.stabroeknews.com/2020/06/27/news/regional/jamaica/jamaica-governor-general-suspends-use-of-insignia-depicting-black-man-as-Satan/

(b) Video footage:  https://youtu.be/xm7XpHRJ6aE


It seems very similar to our situation with the Confederate flag, where it's excused as "historical" and "heritage".

I think the chain around Black Satan's neck says it all. An angel oppressing one of his own kind is indicative of a twisted belief system.

And if you look over similar paintings, Satan is depicted with various colors, including white.

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JohnnyBlaze said:

It seens very similar to our situation with the Confederate flag, where it's excused as "historical" and "heritage".

I think the chain around Black Satan's neck says it all. An angel oppressing one of his own kind is indicative of a twisted belief system.

And if you look over similar paintings, Satan is depicted with various colors, including white.


Just the Bible alone could give pause.

White angel=Lucifer
Mantle of darkness angel = Michael/God

As you have done it to the least of these....

We don’t need oligarchy making emblems 4 us.

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Okay.

I'm posting this now that I better understand what Ice T is going on about.  He acknowledges that there is racism that needs to be dealt with, but he's also conflating the idea of ( supposedly inferior ) races with being poor ( inferior Americans ). If you are black, you are poor / if you are poor, you are black =  that's how one is perceived overall by the racist. It's an unending, blending of stereotype. If you you are a minority, you are more likely to be poor. If you are poor, you are more likely to be a minority. You are so poor you can't defend yourself and thus are ripe for fucking with. Yo. It's a rocking song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlk7o5T56iw

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Stereotyping seems to have become a favorite past-time of the judgmental.  Though it's not surprising. I get his message.

And I am pretty certain 'Home Invasion' is the CD that my son wanted when he was 12, and I had a double-think due to language before relenting.  

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Ahavati said:Stereotyping seems to have become a favorite past-time of the judgmental.  Though it's not surprising. I get his message.

And I am pretty certain 'Home Invasion' is the CD that my son wanted when he was 12, and I had a double-think due to language before relenting.  


Yes, on the one hand, he (  Ice T ) makes a valid point. A racist mind blurs lines. Poor can be the same as black, black is usually poor, both are the same, etc.

But to say all racist police officers target the poor because all minorities are poor in their minds is just a stereotype; it's devolving into the monster one hates.

At the end of the day, like Eddy Grant, it's his opinion. I respect that. And I do enjoy the energy of the song.


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No Mistranslation Just Mobilization


I Speak From Deep Contemplation This Is Our Nation

Confrontation , Communication , Condemnation ,

Complication Of Coloration , Not About Demonstration ,

Just An End To Desperation , This Sick Racial Domination ,

This Slick Trick Denigration , Mad Violence In Escalation

Give Me An Explanation , For What We Call Our Exploitation

We Are A Generation Of No Hesitation We Claim Liberation !

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JohnnyBlaze said:

Yes, on the one hand, he (  Ice T ) makes a valid point. A racist mind blurs lines. Poor can be the same as black, black is usually poor, both are the same, etc.

But to say all racist police officers target the poor because all minorities are poor in their minds is just a stereotype; it's devolving into the monster one hates.

At the end of the day, like Eddy Grant, it's his opinion. I respect that. And I do enjoy the energy of the song.



I feel we can never fully understand their viewpoint as blacks.  When I say I get his message; it's not because I agree with it. But, such stereotyping triggered a study I'd read years back in relation to slavery and the holocaust, etc.  It was in relation to holocaust research; however, it just now triggered my memory that slaves were included in that study.  The trauma ( PTSD ) of those events can be passed down through genes, and thus generations.  I have to wonder if 400+ years of oppression and racism have embedded themselves in black people, whereas whites literally haven't a clue.

Think about it, decades ago, particularly in the south, most blacks were slaves; and if not, the majority were certainly poor. Even after emancipation, they were poor; they were black; they were minority. Of course the police targeted them. It just had me connecting some dots. I'll try to locate that study, but I'm pretty certain it was in a psychology today mag. I remember it being conducted in New York by a Jewish doctor of psychology.

The problem with reading too much sometimes is that stuff gets pushed so far back to make room for new stuff that you can't remember the details, only that you've read it.

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Ahavati said:

I feel we can ever fully understand their viewpoint as blacks.  When I say I get his message; it's not because I agree with it. But, such stereotyping triggered a study I'd read years back in relation to slavery and the holocaust, etc.  It was in relation to holocaust research; however, it just now triggered my memory that slaves were included in that study.  The trauma ( PTSD ) of those events can be passed down through genes, and thus generations.  I have to wonder if 400+ years of oppression and racism have embedded themselves in black people, whereas whites literally haven't a clue.

Think about it, decades ago, particularly in the south, most blacks were slaves; and if not, the majority were certainly poor. Even after emancipation, they were poor; they were black; they were minority. Of course the police targeted them. It just had me connecting some dots. I'll try to locate that study, but I'm pretty certain it was in a psychology today mag. I remember it being conducted in New York by a Jewish doctor of psychology.

The problem with reading too much sometimes is that stuff gets pushed so far back to make room for new stuff that you can't remember the details, only that you've read it.


LOL You don't have to tell me. My mind is the size of a dish soap sponge. I can only absorb and retain so much as it is.

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