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Joe Biden says young children who decide they 'want to be transgender' should face 'zero discrimination'
16 Oct, 2020 07:12
Democrat presidential candidate Joe Biden suggested that children as young as eight-years-old should be allowed to change their gender identity if they decide they "want to be transgender."
The comment came on Thursday night at an election town hall hosted by ABC News, where a woman who said one of her two daughters is transgender asked Biden what he would do to protect LGBTQ rights. The former vice president said, "I will flat out just change the law." He then told a story about seeing two gay men kissing each other and being told by his father, "Joey, it's simple, they love each other."
Biden next turned to the topic of child transgenderism: "The idea that an eight-year-old child or a 10-year-old child decides, 'You know, I decided I want to be transgender, that's what I think I'd like to be, it'd make my life a lot easier,' there should be zero discrimination." He later added, "There is no reason to suggest that there should be any right denied your daughter… that your other daughter has a right to be and do."
Biden's support for childhood transgenderism was panned on Twitter, where commenters pointed out the dangers of letting children below the age of consent decide to make a radical life change with long-term effects.
"Sure, because any parent who has sat there and listened to their kids change their minds on Halloween costumes 10 times in a month thinks this is a good idea," one observer tweeted. Another said, "It's almost like let them sign a mortgage for lifetime because it makes them happy at the time." Still another commenter said, "Eight-year-olds decide a lot of things that are stupid. This is disturbing.
I can't see normal people buying into that insanity."



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Bring Out
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"It's not lockdowns that haven't worked; it's the mismanagement of them, and the unwillingness of those who wouldn't give up their "freedoms" for a brief period in time."

Ask yourself.. Why has their been mismanagement. Is it even mismanagement, or rather governments abusing their positions.
Ask any Victorians how" briefly" giving up their freedoms is working out for them.

The fact remains, governments are abusing their positions and using lockdown to justify taking freedom and liberty away.

You honestly think those freedoms that are given up will be willing returned.

A Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever.
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Lots of talk about New Zealand in here.

I live here, in a highly built up city of maybe 1.5m people. It is a densely populated city. We have no restrictions in place of any kind now. If there is another outbreak we all know what to do (masks, contact tracing, social distancing, be decent).

The government has put together a people-based stimulus package, based on money to people not business, but has offered subsidies to companies to help them pay wages if they can show the need for it. The company I work for took the subsidy, but gave it back as we realised we didn’t need it. I am part of the senior leadership team, and we felt that not taking it was our social responsibility. Over 80% of companies have done the same thing.

Economic times will be tough for a while but our hospitals and schools are working fine and we have very low government debt, so have plenty of options for the future.

I walk past a “quarantine camp” every day in the cbd on my way to my construction office. The quarantine facility is a 5 star hotel, in the heart of our largest city, with some temporary fencing around it. No police. No security guards. No guns. No stress. It’s free for all except for some very specific circumstances.

Lots of bullshit on here that makes Nz sound like a sparsely populated country. We live in towns and cities like everywhere else. We do have the advantage of closing our borders, but we also did have community transmission. The whole country just stayed at home for a month. Almost no one lost their job or their home. If they did lose their job they got immediate weekly government support that is equal to our fair weekly minimum wage. This was already law....no changes required.

I pay 22% income tax on the highest tax bracket as I am a high wage earner. I also pay 12.5% tax on all personal purchases. That’s all there is.

The differences are; a well educated population who trust science, free medical care for all (yes, really), a hard and committed response to the two outbreaks, and leaders who focus on people not politics.

Going sailing tomorrow, cos I voted early last week in one of the 6 polling stations within walking distance of my marina. It took under 2 minutes, with no queues. The choice is between two female leaders who are both fairly centrist. Their two public debates have been civil and issues based. The election is based on proportional representation, which means no party of the many standing can ever rule alone...they have to form coalitions based on what parties and issues we vote for. Payments of any kind to political parties is illegal and well policed.

You can go on with your debates and bullshit ad nauseam.

We acted sensibly and as one people, looked after each other, and went back to our lives.

No freedom was harmed in the making of this statement.

Plenty of problems in this country, but we’ll work it out.

(6 months ago I predicted 250 000 deaths in the US minimum, and a second wave in winter. Lots of shit talk back then about fake news and whatever about why I was wrong....ain’t mathematics a bitch)

Covid 19 is not a political issue...it’s just a health issue. As long as you try to manage it with politics, you will fail. It’s a matter of acting together as a society....wear a mask, wash your hands, act as if you are infectious.

Meanwhile, global warming, acidification of the oceans and mass extinction are happening right now, right here. They aren’t political issues either.

Guess what’s gonna happen....


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We acted sensibly and as one people,
HAHAHA
One forgets
There are two peoples

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hemihead said:Lots of talk about New Zealand in here.

I live here, in a highly built up city of maybe 1.5m people. It is a densely populated city. We have no restrictions in place of any kind now. If there is another outbreak we all know what to do (masks, contact tracing, social distancing, be decent).

The government has put together a people-based stimulus package, based on money to people not business, but has offered subsidies to companies to help them pay wages if they can show the need for it. The company I work for took the subsidy, but gave it back as we realised we didn’t need it. I am part of the senior leadership team, and we felt that not taking it was our social responsibility. Over 80% of companies have done the same thing.

Economic times will be tough for a while but our hospitals and schools are working fine and we have very low government debt, so have plenty of options for the future.

I walk past a “quarantine camp” every day in the cbd on my way to my construction office. The quarantine facility is a 5 star hotel, in the heart of our largest city, with some temporary fencing around it. No police. No security guards. No guns. No stress. It’s free for all except for some very specific circumstances.

Lots of bullshit on here that makes Nz sound like a sparsely populated country. We live in towns and cities like everywhere else. We do have the advantage of closing our borders, but we also did have community transmission. The whole country just stayed at home for a month. Almost no one lost their job or their home. If they did lose their job they got immediate weekly government support that is equal to our fair weekly minimum wage. This was already law....no changes required.

I pay 22% income tax on the highest tax bracket as I am a high wage earner. I also pay 12.5% tax on all personal purchases. That’s all there is.

The differences are; a well educated population who trust science, free medical care for all (yes, really), a hard and committed response to the two outbreaks, and leaders who focus on people not politics.

Going sailing tomorrow, cos I voted early last week in one of the 6 polling stations within walking distance of my marina. It took under 2 minutes, with no queues. The choice is between two female leaders who are both fairly centrist. Their two public debates have been civil and issues based. The election is based on proportional representation, which means no party of the many standing can ever rule alone...they have to form coalitions based on what parties and issues we vote for. Payments of any kind to political parties is illegal and well policed.

You can go on with your debates and bullshit ad nauseam.

We acted sensibly and as one people, looked after each other, and went back to our lives.

No freedom was harmed in the making of this statement.

Plenty of problems in this country, but we’ll work it out.

(6 months ago I predicted 250 000 deaths in the US minimum, and a second wave in winter. Lots of shit talk back then about fake news and whatever about why I was wrong....ain’t mathematics a bitch)

Covid 19 is not a political issue...it’s just a health issue. As long as you try to manage it with politics, you will fail. It’s a matter of acting together as a society....wear a mask, wash your hands, act as if you are infectious.

Meanwhile, global warming, acidification of the oceans and mass extinction are happening right now, right here. They aren’t political issues either.

Guess what’s gonna happen....



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no apologies for the draw is as good as a loss

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Are Face Masks Effective? The Evidence.

https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/

Interesting read

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Carpe_Noctem said:

Ask yourself.. Why has their been mismanagement. Is it even mismanagement, or rather governments abusing their positions.
Ask any Victorians how" briefly" giving up their freedoms is working out for them.

The fact remains, governments are abusing their positions and using lockdown to justify taking freedom and liberty away.

You honestly think those freedoms that are given up will be willing returned.

A Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever.
John Adams


Ahavati said:
[ . . . ]
New Zealand locked down hard and fast and defeated covid twice and lost only 25 people. There are no gulags; no mass incarcerations. Life is moving forward. Covid was not a mass cover-up to lockdown and gain control of people's lives as you have been claiming. It was a measure to save as many of them as possible.


Also, see Hemi's post.

Carpe, you're operating out of fear, and you're spreading that fear vs actual facts. That is what I am countering; not you personally ( which is why I don't get personal with you ). But, rather, the fear you are attempting to spread. Are you going to call Hemi, who lives in NZ, a liar the way you've accused my facts about NZ being manipulated because they don't agree with your narrative? I see you've completely overlooked his post because it doesn't align with your fear-based philosophy.

I honestly and sincerly hope that you find peace that settles your heart and mind. You have plenty of reason to distrust government, that is true, I do in many ways; however, this fear-based paranoia that everything being done to prevent the spread of covid-19 is a plot to take our freedoms away from us is as unhealthy as it is untrue.

BTW, 8 more people died from covid-19 in Sweden overnight, with 793 new confirmed cases.

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hemihead said:Lots of talk about New Zealand in here.

I live here, in a highly built up city of maybe 1.5m people. It is a densely populated city. We have no restrictions in place of any kind now. If there is another outbreak we all know what to do (masks, contact tracing, social distancing, be decent).

The government has put together a people-based stimulus package, based on money to people not business, but has offered subsidies to companies to help them pay wages if they can show the need for it. The company I work for took the subsidy, but gave it back as we realised we didn’t need it. I am part of the senior leadership team, and we felt that not taking it was our social responsibility. Over 80% of companies have done the same thing.

Economic times will be tough for a while but our hospitals and schools are working fine and we have very low government debt, so have plenty of options for the future.

I walk past a “quarantine camp” every day in the cbd on my way to my construction office. The quarantine facility is a 5 star hotel, in the heart of our largest city, with some temporary fencing around it. No police. No security guards. No guns. No stress. It’s free for all except for some very specific circumstances.

Lots of bullshit on here that makes Nz sound like a sparsely populated country. We live in towns and cities like everywhere else. We do have the advantage of closing our borders, but we also did have community transmission. The whole country just stayed at home for a month. Almost no one lost their job or their home. If they did lose their job they got immediate weekly government support that is equal to our fair weekly minimum wage. This was already law....no changes required.

I pay 22% income tax on the highest tax bracket as I am a high wage earner. I also pay 12.5% tax on all personal purchases. That’s all there is.

The differences are; a well educated population who trust science, free medical care for all (yes, really), a hard and committed response to the two outbreaks, and leaders who focus on people not politics.

Going sailing tomorrow, cos I voted early last week in one of the 6 polling stations within walking distance of my marina. It took under 2 minutes, with no queues. The choice is between two female leaders who are both fairly centrist. Their two public debates have been civil and issues based. The election is based on proportional representation, which means no party of the many standing can ever rule alone...they have to form coalitions based on what parties and issues we vote for. Payments of any kind to political parties is illegal and well policed.

You can go on with your debates and bullshit ad nauseam.

We acted sensibly and as one people, looked after each other, and went back to our lives.

No freedom was harmed in the making of this statement.

Plenty of problems in this country, but we’ll work it out.

(6 months ago I predicted 250 000 deaths in the US minimum, and a second wave in winter. Lots of shit talk back then about fake news and whatever about why I was wrong....ain’t mathematics a bitch)

Covid 19 is not a political issue...it’s just a health issue. As long as you try to manage it with politics, you will fail. It’s a matter of acting together as a society....wear a mask, wash your hands, act as if you are infectious.

Meanwhile, global warming, acidification of the oceans and mass extinction are happening right now, right here. They aren’t political issues either.

Guess what’s gonna happen....



WTF took you so long?!

And, thank you. Enjoy your sailing.

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Ahavati said:

Also, see Hemi's post.

Carpe, you're operating out of fear, and you're spreading that fear vs actual facts. That is what I am countering; not you personally ( which is why I don't get personal with you ). But, rather, the fear you are attempting to spread. Are you going to call Hemi, who lives in NZ, a liar the way you've accused my facts about NZ being manipulated because they don't agree with your narrative? I see you've completely overlooked his post because it doesn't align with your fear-based philosophy.

I honestly and sincerly hope that you find peace that settles your heart and mind. You have plenty of reason to distrust government, that is true, I do in many ways; however, this fear-based paranoia that everything being done to prevent the spread of covid-19 is a plot to take our freedoms away from us is as unhealthy as it is untrue.


Well since in the post of mine you quoted, I never mentioned NZ. Nor called anyone a liar.

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK ARE YOU WAFFLING ON ABOUT.

seriously Avahati, what is your problem.
The UK are abusing their lockdown powers and bring in new rules daily. These are not even debated in parliament, nor gone through the proper channels.

In the UK it is daily becoming a tyrannical dictatorship.
I have seen horrendous footage of how the Victorian police are treating it's citizens.
Melbourne Victoria is part of the UN strong cities agreement. Google it if you don't believe me.
In that agreement strong hand policing is the accepted means.

I am not promoting fear, i am reporting on what i see and hear. I have friends and family all over the world.
You ironically have given into fear and have lost logic and reason.

Last night i was arguing with you, using logic and reason.
All your response was posting ridiculing remarks in the quote.

A sure sign of a lazy mind is ridicule, even in such an underhanded way as you do.

WE see how you treat and behave to those you disagree with.

So pot kettle woman

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And * we * see you, Carpe. You're lip-flopping all over the place. Today you're referring to the UK and Australia; yesterday and the day before that it was Sweden and New Zealand.  This post? The one you are accusing me of being underhanded and ridiculing:

Ahavati said:

How's that tiny little island of yours doing? We see how England is doing ( not so well ). But Ireland wasn't mentioned in the article I posted.

I disagree we should not be vilifying an approach which has saved thousands more lives. Our words are wands and people like Carpe are speaking what they fear the most into being. . .if not countered by the thousands of light-workers who don't resort to name calling or underhanded tactics like shitting on people's posts.


was in NO WAY underhanded nor ridiculing. It was genuine because Ireland was NOT listed on the GDP information I provided ( which I found odd ). Had he been from any other country or island that wasn't listed, I would've asked him the same thing. As far as the light worker portion, there are thousands networking right now to combat the fear and misinformation being permeated right now.

It's YOUR filter to go into personal attack mode whenever I don't agree with your narrative. Just like you've done in your latest post. Because you have to attempt to discredit someone's character or intelligence in order to validate yourself. It's not working anymore than Sweden is enjoying that restriction-free life you claimed they were. On the contrary. . .they have many restrictions in place right now. Negate THAT.

You haven't seen me get personal, Carpe. And you don't want to ( nor will you ). Trust me on that.

All too often, the difference between compassion and conflict is not a matter of what you know, but being fully aware of how much remains unknown in any given moment. From the heart of compassion, the more we acknowledge what we don’t know, the less conclusions we draw about others as a space to project our unprocessed pain.

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Ahavati said:And * we * see you, Carpe. You're lip-flopping all over the place. Today you're referring to the UK and Australia; yesterday and the day before that it was Sweden and New Zealand.  This post? The one you are accusing me of being underhanded and ridiculing:



was in NO WAY underhanded nor ridiculing. It was genuine because Ireland was NOT listed on the GDP information I provided ( which I found odd ). Had he been from any other country or island that wasn't listed, I would've asked him the same thing. As far as the light worker portion, there are thousands networking right now to combat the fear and misinformation being permeated right now.

It's YOUR filter to go into personal attack mode whenever I don't agree with your narrative. Just like you've done in your latest post. Because you have to attempt to discredit someone's character or intelligence in order to validate yourself. It's not working anymore than Sweden is enjoying that restriction-free life you claimed they were. On the contrary. . .they have many restrictions in place right now. Negate THAT.

You haven't seen me get personal, Carpe. And you don't want to ( nor will you ). Trust me on that.

All too often, the difference between compassion and conflict is not a matter of what you know, but being fully aware of how much remains unknown in any given moment. From the heart of compassion, the more we acknowledge what we don’t know, the less conclusions we draw about others as a space to project our unprocessed pain.


1.see previous post regarding friends and family.
Regarding NZ, good. My question to hemi would be. Will those quarantine camps be decommissioned anytime soon, considering NZs claim they have covid under control. Logical conclusion would be that action no.
Regarding Sweden, whoever you are getting that information is lying, or providing false information.
Sweden is experiencing an average death demographic currently.

True lightworkers don't announce what they are doing. They let their actions show.

Wasn't a personal attack, as is always the case when you get your knickers in a twist. You claim personal attack. So that's s on you

Threats now, showing that maturity right there.

Your last point I agree.
However what I first hand am witnessing, is increased suffering due to lockdown measures. Do you discount that. Just because you aren't effected, does not make it so.

Question Avahati
You said you are untrusting of government. So why would you trust them now. Have you considered that putting trust in an institution, that has a horrendous track record for lying.

Gulf war and the patriot act immediately come to mind.

If you like research look at the link about masks. The article provides sources eg CDC NEMJ for example. It is a fascinating read. I haven't gotten through all the source articles yet.

In the science experiment, that we are living in. Time will tell if lockdown or herd immunity is the correct approach. Maybe a combination of the two. As some of the Dr's, scientists and medical professionals that I have read are saying.
Which as far as I can remember is what we did. The sick isolated to protect the vulnerable. Ie, sorry mum can't come for dinner, i got the flu, see you in a few days.

As Val said Avahati. I am not posting to disagree and have the last word. I am saying this is inhumane and dehumanising what is being done here.

The WHO have stated lockdowns are ineffective, same as those articles regarding masks. Masks provide little protection against IFL type outbreaks.

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Carpe, you're switching up too much to have a coherent conversation.

Firstly, I suggest posting your question to Hemi directly to Hemi.

Secondly, I referenced Sweden's current restrictions ( which you have said twice they have none ). I have never said their death rate was or was not average. I referenced the covid-19 deaths and infections with their current * herd immunity *. Prove me wrong with links, not your opinion.

Thirdly, I never said I was a light-worker. I said that fear-based logic was being countered by thousands of light workers all over the world. I am researching and clarifying your false claims with documented evidence from the governemnt of Sweden. And you are. .  . exactly.

Fourthly, I did not threaten you. I assured you that I would never become personal, unlike you. Repeatedly.

Fifthly, I never said I was fully distrusting of government. We need government; however, it's politicians I don't trust; history has proven that time and time again. While the government is filled with politicians, it's also filled with good people who are attempting to correct the corruption and negate the heiarchy that has plagued this country since its inception. I am looking forward to the first female president not because she's female, but because females are ready. They've been ready.

Also, because we don't know the outcome yet, it's merely your opinion that lockdowns are inhumane and dehumanising. Tell that to New Zealand. Tell that to Hemi. I will repeat, that it's not the lockdowns but the mismanagement of them by leaders as well as individuals who are so terrified of losing their * freedoms * that they can't see the forest for the trees.

Lastly, personally insulting others as you seem to be doing in every response ( including your last one ( two, three, four, I've lost count ) does not reflect on me; but you, carpe. Words are wands; and you're casting the spell of your worst fears into the reality of your perception.

Try having some faith in humanity. Try having some hope that this will all work out. It will. Love always wins in the end. It cannot lose.




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Ahavati said:Carpe, you're switching up too much to have a coherent conversation.

Firstly, I suggest posting your question to Hemi directly to Hemi.

Secondly, I referenced Sweden's current restrictions ( which you have said twice they have none ). I have never said their death rate was or was not average. I referenced the covid-19 deaths and infections with their current * herd immunity *. Prove me wrong with links, not your opinion.

Thirdly, I never said I was a light-worker. I said that fear-based logic was being countered by thousands of light workers all over the world. I am researching and clarifying your false claims with documented evidence from the governemnt of Sweden. And you are. .  . exactly.

Fourthly, I did not threaten you. I assured you that I would never become personal, unlike you. Repeatedly.

Fifthly, I never said I was fully distrusting of government. We need government; however, it's politicians I don't trust; history has proven that time and time again. While the government is filled with politicians, it's also filled with good people who are attempting to correct the corruption and negate the heiarchy that has plagued this country since its inception. I am looking forward to the first female president not because she's female, but because females are ready. They've been ready.

Also, because we don't know the outcome yet, it's merely your opinion that lockdowns are inhumane and dehumanising. Tell that to New Zealand. Tell that to Hemi. I will repeat, that it's not the lockdowns but the mismanagement of them by leaders as well as individuals who are so terrified of losing their * freedoms * that they can't see the forest for the trees.

Lastly, personally insulting others as you seem to be doing in every response ( including your last one ( two, three, four, I've lost count ) does not reflect on me; but you, carpe. Words are wands; and you're casting the spell of your worst fears into the reality of your perception.

Try having some faith in humanity. Try having some hope that this will all work out. It will. Love always wins in the end. It cannot lose.





First Avahati I'm not your enemy. I am here for humanity, I have great faith in humanity. I have never personally insulted you. I have pointed out your hypocrisy for all to see. As I said in my previous post. Which as the one before, didn't contain any personal Insults. If you took those posts as personal insults, again on you.

People I know in Sweden are living normal lives, considering all this that's happening.
Swedens restrictions have been the same since the start.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/sweden-avoiding-second-wave-consistent-measures-trusting-population/amp/
“I don’t think any country is immune to a greater outbreak,” he said, speaking at a webinar hosted by the Royal Society of Medicine on Thursday. “But if I were to speculate [on why Sweden hasn’t yet experienced a second wave], it may be the fact that we did perhaps have a lighter touch but we have kept it all along.

“We have not opened up. We have had the same restrictions all along. Maybe that’s a reason we don’t see these major changes, because transmission has been limited in the same way throughout.”

He added that because Sweden has experienced “quite a lot of transmission” of the virus, it may also be the case that there is greater immunity in some areas where spread may have been higher earlier this year

We don't know if lockdown is the best approach. I agree, but what I am witnessing first hand here in the UK, what I know is happening in other countries. Victoria Melbourne for example. Is inhumane, dehumanising and various crimes against humanity.

Avahati do you not understand that there is misinformation from the mainstream. Dangerous even. So that fear based mind control is happening every where.
I have now provided many links from, Dr's, scientists and medical professionals. Who you keep labeling conspiracy theorists.

Conspiracies often turn out to be fact.

Here's some regarding masks from thay article I posted.

A German psychological study with about 1000 participants found “severe psychosocial consequences” due to the introduction of mandatory face masks in Germany.

In Germany, two 13-year-old children died suddenly while wearing a mask for a prolonged period of time; autopsies couldn’t exclude CO2 intoxication or a sudden cardiac arrest.
In China, several children who had to wear a mask during sports classes fainted and died; the autopsies found a sudden cardiac arrest as the cause of death.
In the US, a car driver wearing an N95 (FFP2) mask fainted and crashed into a pole.

Love is the answer
Hate is the question

Why do you hate those speaking up against this.
Go on YouTube BBC, sky ect read the comments from the British public regarding this. Check out the like to dislike ratio.

What I am witnessing first hand is not opinion it is fact. You cannot discount first hand experience.















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