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Dr Annie Bukacek explains corona virus manipulation

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https://youtu.be/KDV4Hk_cyp8

Protecting humanity or history repeating?

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Carpe_Noctem said:https://youtu.be/KDV4Hk_cyp8

Protecting humanity or history repeating?


Well, just watched this - not to be recommended to anyone who is easily made fearful ...

... which brings up an interesting and vital point.

How do we deal with our own fear which is triggered by current events, whether we are a 'believer' who is fearful of getting or spreading a 'killer virus' -- or whether a skeptic who sees it all as a huge lie and an excuse to bring in an authoritarian regime, and is fearful of the loss of liberty?

Assuming 'the fear is already within us', Covid offers an opportunity to look at our deepest fears, now surfaced - look them squarely in the eye and deal with them - which if faced and dealt with will make us less fearful people (pretty important in these days I reckon).

Am interested to hear how DUPers deal with fear.

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John Pilger - What Govts Aren't Telling You About the COVID-19 Pandemic | Going Underground

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Evidence mounts COVID-19 came from a lab in Wuhan

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By Peter Andrews, Irish science journalist and writer based in London. He has a background in the life sciences, and graduated from the University of Glasgow with a degree in genetics.
Whatever the eventual impact of the coronavirus, one thing has become apparent: when governments are the gatekeepers of data-gathering, there is no reliable source of information on the scale of the pandemic.
It did not take long for a war of information to break out over the true extent of Covid-19. Every morning, we wake up to the freshest figures for our own country. Another few hundred or thousand new cases, depending on where you live, and a fraction as many deaths. Every day, the colour-coded curves corresponding to the cases in various countries creep one day further into the future, like breakers approaching a beach.
But there is no way of comparing different countries’ statistics, based as they are on processes so riddled with holes and flaws that they may as well be guesswork. Obviously, comparing Italy and Belarus is comparing apples with oranges – the populations and the timelines of the pandemics in these countries are wildly different, so inferring results from their response plans is pointless.
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Our lockdown was supposed to protect the most vulnerable, the elderly, from Covid-19 – but we’re achieving precisely the opposite

In the same way, though, comparing Italy to a more superficially similar country, like Spain, is just as meaningless. Because their testing systems and data reporting vary, there is no way to glean any useful information, for example, about whether their lockdown measures have helped. The Mail on Sunday columnist Peter Hitchens has been terrier-like in his assertion that there is no known causal relationship between lockdown measures and fewer deaths, which has not made him any friends in the mainstream media.
Furthermore, there are too many unknowns about the virus itself and, as a brand new strain previously unknown to humans, attempts to understand it have come from a standing start. Every new piece of research seems to raise more questions than it answers. Are most people asymptomatic carriers? How long are people contagious for? Are there many strains or just one? And how deadly is it in comparison to the flu? It is likely to be a year or more before we know – such is the nature of scientific research. Until then, we will have to embrace our ignorance.
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Targeting China over Covid-19, US & UK open Pandora’s Box … they’re responsible for a LOT MORE disasters, will THEY pay for that?
Not the only one
From the beginning, seemingly obvious inconsistencies and impossibilities came through the mainstream media. The most basic figures on case and death numbers did not stand up to the simplest back-of-the-envelope calculations. How could the mortality rate in Italy be 20 times what it was across the border in Germany?
Many people questioned the figures coming out of China, and they were right to do so. It is impossible to trust the Chinese government on matters of fact at the best of times, and when they felt backed into a corner – as they did when one of their major cities spawned this virus – they had every motivation to downplay the scale of the crisis. There is a danger, though, that in scapegoating China as the world’s only haven of lies and propaganda, people will automatically take at face value information from governments they trust more, such as their own. This would be a mistake, no matter what country one is in.
Testing times
Consider one element which is key to the statistic-gathering process: testing. In the simplest terms, a population contains people who have not yet been exposed to the virus, people who currently have the virus, and people who have had the virus but who are now recovered. On any given day, some of the people who have not yet been exposed to the virus contract it, and some will have symptoms of Covid-19 (with a broad range of severity, as we know).
What we would like to know is how many of those people there were today, ie. the number of new cases. Switch on the television and the news will be confidently reporting today’s figure. But in fact, this information is utterly unknowable. There is no mechanism by which all of these people could or would report for testing once they feel sick, because there is a global shortage of testing kits. And even if the right people were tested, there is currently no way of knowing how accurate the tests are – to find out the proportion of false negatives, you would need a test to test the tests.
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WHO can we trust? Just when coronavirus gave the World Health Organization its moment to shine, it bottled it

Moreover, the tests, once done, have to be processed in some way to get the results. This is taking days or weeks for ordinary, non-celebrity people, but there is a suggestion that after a few days the positive tests actually turn negative, that the virus dies on the swab and does not show up in results. All of these possible points of failure are only to do with the testing. And it is on this basic premise that all other official and governmental statistics are based. Therefore, not trusting facts and figures is not a question of paranoia; it is a question of realism.
Known unknowns
William Goldman, the legendary screenwriter of ‘Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid’ and ‘The Princess Bride’, had a personal motto for understanding Hollywood. It was: “Nobody knows anything.” He did not live to see the present crisis, but his words of wisdom apply to the coronavirus too. Nobody knows anything, least of all the experts and politicians who are paid to regularly pontificate on the subject.
We have all been guilty of trying to pretend we know more than we really do. It is the natural human response in a crisis to try to understand. Our greatest adaptation, the thing that separates us from the animals and makes us who we are as a species, is our intellect. With our minds we have conquered the world, dominated every other animal, and subjugated the rivers, mountains and oceans to our will. How ironic then, that one of nature’s smallest organisms, invisible to us, has sent us into a tailspin. We are still subject to the whims of nature, and we would do well to remember that.


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drone said:By Peter Andrews, Irish science journalist and writer based in London. He has a background in the life sciences, and graduated from the University of Glasgow with a degree in genetics.
Whatever the eventual impact of the coronavirus, one thing has become apparent: when governments are the gatekeepers of data-gathering, there is no reliable source of information on the scale of the pandemic.
It did not take long for a war of information to break out over the true extent of Covid-19.

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Moreover, the tests, once done, have to be processed in some way to get the results. This is taking days or weeks for ordinary, non-celebrity people, but there is a suggestion that after a few days the positive tests actually turn negative, that the virus dies on the swab and does not show up in results. All of these possible points of failure are only to do with the testing. And it is on this basic premise that all other official and governmental statistics are based. Therefore, not trusting facts and figures is not a question of paranoia; it is a question of realism.
Known unknowns
William Goldman, the legendary screenwriter of ‘Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid’ and ‘The Princess Bride’, had a personal motto for understanding Hollywood. It was: “Nobody knows anything.” He did not live to see the present crisis, but his words of wisdom apply to the coronavirus too. Nobody knows anything, least of all the experts and politicians who are paid to regularly pontificate on the subject.
We have all been guilty of trying to pretend we know more than we really do. It is the natural human response in a crisis to try to understand. Our greatest adaptation, the thing that separates us from the animals and makes us who we are as a species, is our intellect. With our minds we have conquered the world, dominated every other animal, and subjugated the rivers, mountains and oceans to our will. How ironic then, that one of nature’s smallest organisms, invisible to us, has sent us into a tailspin. We are still subject to the whims of nature, and we would do well to remember that.



Interesting thoughts on the subject, drone - thanks for those.
Given the many doubts and impossibles over correct (ie: meaningful) data that you highlight, it certainly strengthens the case that strict authoritarian gov't responses cannot be based on 'facts' but are based on perceptions of facts...,
... either as a deliberate excuse for clamp-down - or because not knowing the facts, they are acting on 'fearing the worse' but don't tell the general public.
After all, which gov't would tell the general public "we haven't a clue what the truth of the matter is" but enact harsh measures destroying economies "just in case Covid is a really bad flu-bug"?

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Josh said:

Interesting thoughts on the subject, drone - thanks for those.
Given the many doubts and impossibles over correct (ie: meaningful) data that you highlight, it certainly strengthens the case that strict authoritarian gov't responses cannot be based on 'facts' but are based on perceptions of facts...,
... either as a deliberate excuse for clamp-down - or because not knowing the facts, they are acting on 'fearing the worse' but don't tell the general public.
After all, which gov't would tell the general public "we haven't a clue what the truth of the matter is" but enact harsh measures destroying economies "just in case Covid is a really bad flu-bug"?


There's a video I'm going to watch later, titled our leaders and chief medical officers are liars and traitors

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The TRUTH about this madness | Dr. Bruce Lipton

AS he basicly says
the fastest way
to close down
ones immune system
is fear and stress


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Psychological overload
is the name of the game
today
where the road  
to relieve the pressure
is slowly squeezed
into a cage
to be poked humiliated  
and larghed at
by those
who do not want
to be engaged
to lay their cards
upon the table
in an honest
open
debate

Shut Your MOUTH
We are Right  
You are Wrong
we believe
what we've been told
It is  
the only song
that they know

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Josh said:Since the Covid-19 forum-thread has now been shut down, I am answering Ahavati’s answers my posting here instead. (original discussion can be found there on the penultimate page, 101)

Thank you again for your thoughts.

I’ve long wondered why, in wartime, pacifists receive more contempt and hostility than is reserved for the enemy. And I have come to the conclusion it is because the pacifist poses questions that challenge the validity of the roles people play, which in turn challenge the overall story people inhabit in order to play out those roles.

In other words, the pacifist’s stance poses an overall existential threat not to survival in a time of war, but to the identity of those who sign up willingly to the war agenda.  And to have our identity questioned is an unnerving experience which people tend to avoid unless forced by circumstances. Indeed, as I understand it, we have both gone through phases in life where belief-systems collapsed, a no-man’s land was entered, and identity-meaning had to be rebuilt from scratch - a painful yet ultimately life-enhancing journey of what it means to become more fully human.

Translating all this to the current Covid scenario, a counter-current voice crying in the wilderness may be a John-the-Baptist who looks pretty crazy but has a genuine insight of things to come, or may be someone who’s just plain crazy, full-stop. Both types are currently having a field day on the internet. I have no wish to create yet another polarisation and I try and keep an open mind as to where the sword falls in my own case.

But taking a cue from Hegel with the notion of thesis-antithesis-synthesis, Covid also offers an opportunity to create a more beautiful world, taking ‘think global, act local’ up a notch or two from its roots in 1915 town planning, and later as a 1970s mantra—where back-to-the-land can have elements literal (as I have already suggested), and I accept elements also metaphorical and creative at a higher level (Cottage industries in the city? Turning city/industrial wasteland spaces into food-growing spaces?).

Inasmuch the human journey is one of creativity and growth in consciousness, with that in common I am happy to agree with you that we can agree to differ, allowing our differing journeys to take their respective - and creative - courses.

With respect,
Josh.

PS: concerning the acute danger of the slide into tyranny, (hence the critical imperative to rigorously question the mass-media narrative with all its fear-mongering) my above two postings have interesting things to say.


This is the post that Avahati said she addressed in her most recent thread. Although we have yet to see her respond to this.
I had said in the original covid19 thread that if I am wrong I will put my hand up and admit I was wrong.
Sadly day by day those of us that have been calling this what it is are being proved right. This tyrannical faschist beast rears its ugly head more and more.
The numbers and statistics do not add up. CDCs labeling of COVID-19 deaths, even if suspected but may not have caused death. Is a gross misrepresentation of stats. Why, why would you need to do something like that, if this virus was as deadly as had originally been claimed we would see a much higher death rate.

https://youtu.be/oB9YFZH0erg

Would someone explain to me why pennsylvania property management division would need 500 grenade launchers

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