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You didn't list my name but you did piggyback on Carpe's who within couple hours of time period directed his comments at me and Johnny in several posts.  
Since its quite obvious where we stand on this issue of virus/stayathome/vaccinations..and quite frankly that particular comment of yours showed how passive aggressive your timing is and then later on softening the jab by telling me that its a generalization.
Well, my using 'like' in my last comment to you, is a form of 'as an example' , 'similar to' so in the end, basically means the same as your term.
Now, you can actually debate why you feel passionately on the issue of vaccination, i'd like to point out Commontely's comment directed at you asking on vaccination at page 88 which you seem to have overlooked.. i've pasted it below.
The arena is yours.

Commentonly said:

Can someone please explain the vaccination thing to me? Keep seeing it, keep frowning

Viruses and bacteria have killed more people than all our wars combined I’m willing to wager

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My dear Layla your name nor anyone else  was listed in my comment.  That was a broad statement made by me to those who follow the leader no matter the cost The ones who walk blindly believing main stream news, doctors, politicians, scientists whoever has the word of the day. A statement any statement repeated four times becomes a log into the memory without gut thinking many follow
If you have placed yourself amongst that group then I am sorry for your trials.  I don't judge I didn't judge Much Love to all of DU
, V

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Layla said:You didn't list my name but you did piggyback on Carpe's who within couple hours of time period directed his comments at me and Johnny in several posts.  
Since its quite obvious where we stand on this issue of virus/stayathome/vaccinations..and quite frankly that particular comment of yours showed how passive aggressive your timing is and then later on softening the jab by telling me that its a generalization.
Well, my using 'like' in my last comment to you, is a form of 'as an example' , 'similar to' so in the end, basically means the same as your term.
Now, you can actually debate why you feel passionately on the issue of vaccination, i'd like to point out Commontely's comment directed at you asking on vaccination at page 88 which you seem to have overlooked.. i've pasted it below.
The arena is yours.



Well thank you so much Layla for COVERING MY ASS making sure I answer who you think I should I don't sit here all day waiting for my name to pop up.  I'm a busy person I have a small ranch to take care of my spouse is an invalid now I am his caregiver You can talk all the shit you want to put me down or judge my decisions because I honestly don't give a fuck what you think I shouldn't even bother myself with you now I could care less how big you think your intellectual  dick is.

@Commentonly  I will get to you shortly not a problem on the vaccine question sorry I overlooked you apparently it was rude. Much Love V

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@Commentonly
My opinion on vaccines will be found on my page printed with permission by Yale University Much Love V

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(it’s pretty shit how much mudslinging and off topic crap goes down in this thread....could we maybe go to the other one?)


Signs someone has been poorly treated by their antivax friends: when they quote the actual inventor of the Ebola virus vaccine in their argument against vaccines. See quote below re the doctor you have cited. He literally studies and creates vaccines for public health.

You seem able to accept that there are conspiracies. In fact you seem to see a very high number of conspiracies. I have no doubt there must be some that are at least based on something.

I would like you to reflect on one more conspiracy: that the antivax movement does not really care about public health, or informing people of any actual coherent data.

”Using the groundwork laid by Yale scientists in the 1990s, the pharmaceutical company Merck & Co. received approval from the European Commission for the first-ever Ebola vaccine on Nov. 11.
The vaccine’s approval is the fruition of decades of research led by John Rose, a School of Medicine pathology professor emeritus who developed a method to genetically engineer the harmless vesicular stomatitis virus, or VSV, to express proteins found on other viruses to build immunity without developing harmful symptoms.”

This is my second infectious disease outbreak. The first was on two islands in the pacific, just 15 minutes flight apart.

One island had a measles vaccination rate of over 90%. A couple of kids got sick.

On the other island westerners, operating as donors to the churches, spread fear of vaccines for over 20 years until the vaccination rate was around 40%. Measles killed over 50 children under 5. This happened 4 months ago. I watched a nurse cry herself to sleep on a four hour flight off the island, after her 2 week relief stint. The measles vaccine is free on both islands.

You and I have the same viewpoint, that all information should be tested. Are you willing to look at the movement you support with the same rigour, and consider the possibility of one more conspiracy?

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How are y’all liking communism?

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Three incorrect statements in 5 words. Impressive.

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hemihead said:(it’s pretty shit how much mudslinging and off topic crap goes down in this thread....could we maybe go to the other one?)


Signs someone has been poorly treated by their antivax friends: when they quote the actual inventor of the Ebola virus in their argument against vaccines. See quote below re the doctor you have cited. He literally studies and creates vaccines for public health.

You seem able to accept that there are conspiracies. In fact you seem to see a very high number of conspiracies. I have no doubt there must be some that are at least based on something.

I would like you to reflect on one more conspiracy: that the antivax movement does not really care about public health, or informing people of any actual coherent data.

”Using the groundwork laid by Yale scientists in the 1990s, the pharmaceutical company Merck & Co. received approval from the European Commission for the first-ever Ebola vaccine on Nov. 11.
The vaccine’s approval is the fruition of decades of research led by John Rose, a School of Medicine pathology professor emeritus who developed a method to genetically engineer the harmless vesicular stomatitis virus, or VSV, to express proteins found on other viruses to build immunity without developing harmful symptoms.”

This is my second infectious disease outbreak. The first was on two islands in the pacific, just 15 minutes flight apart.

One island had a measles vaccination rate of over 90%. A couple of kids got sick.

On the other island westerners, operating as donors to the churches, spread fear of vaccines for over 20 years until the vaccination rate was around 40%. Measles killed over 50 children under 5. This happened 4 months ago. I watched a nurse cry herself to sleep on a four hour flight off the island, after her 2 week relief stint. The measles vaccine is free on both islands.

You and I have the same viewpoint, that all information should be tested. Are you willing to look at the movement you support with the same rigour, and consider the possibility of one more conspiracy?
.

I completely understand your POV and my heart feels the pain for the lives lost
I'm willing to hear anything you have to say Hemi I find it healthy and I'm always willing to learn
You can post here on the other or PM whichever you prefer
It always feels good putting my head next to yours Hemi let some of your genius cells drip off and saturate my brain

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hemihead said:Three incorrect statements in 5 words. Impressive.

It’s a question, dear.

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Taurek said:

It’s a question, dear.



Y’all: implies common agreement. In 90 pages it is clear there is no common consensus.

Enjoying: implies a common emotion across all contributors. Obviously false.

Communism: if you are referring to lockdowns and government intervention, you mean authoritarian or fascist rule.

3 incorrect statements in 5 words.

Would you care to reframe your question into something other than click bait? Should be no problem for a writer such as yourself.

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I can hardly find a logical explanation
Why people are hoarding toilet paper.

So a researcher at my institution may have stumbled upon a cure.
So far it has a data set of 1.
This common item, currently readily available at grocery stores, once word gets out, profiteers will buy everything out and resell it at a thousand fold.
Then again, this researcher, who came down with the chills and fevers, followed by several days of feeling better, then getting worse, has remained symptom free after a regimen of 100 grams of the dry powder per day.
This young, fledgling PhD candidate is now trying to explain it to the big wig tenured boys, to do a study, which means
Get 100 sick patient's to drink this each day.
So what is the science? Along about 17 or so years ago, Covid19's sister, SARS,was wreaking it's havoc across the land. SARS, would infect it's victim, they would get very sick, then become contagious, then, mostly, die.  SARS fizzled out, because people could be isolated before they got contagious. Covid19, you get contagious before you know you are sick.
Researchers were all abuzz investigating
SARS. There is a treasure trove of science literature to piece things together
That is where our hero, an English major turned Chemist, appears. English majors are Keen on digging into, critiquing, and ferreting out connections.
If you Google "sars cov 2 angiotensin"
You can get a taste of science language.

In my own stab at making some rhyme and reason, a particular enzyme, that appears somewhat like a crab claw, dots the outside surface of the cells in our body. This enzyme,
Bites onto protein molecules called Angiotensins, modified them, opens it's jaw, and let's the now modified Angiotensins go free. A certain part of the Angiotensins has the correct shape, to fit into the crab claw, while most everything else floating by will not fit in, like a lock and the right key.
It just so happens, that the SARS virus particle, also does a lock and key type attachment, but not to the inside of the active jaws of the claw, but rather, to the outer surface, like the back of your hand, not the inside palm.
So, back then, back in the early 2000's researchers looked to design molecules
That would stick to the same spot as where SARS could stick, thus , all the seats would be taken, no free spot available when a SARS virus particle floated by.
But our hero, studied some articles published by a for-profit drug making company, that, at the time, was most effective combatting SARS. But this company kept the actual structural shape of it's drug, a trade secret, so maybe it was really fending off the virus by some other means.
Fast forward to now, where the antimalarial drugs show some hope,
Our hero noticed how a part of the antimalarial molecule, due to the right shape, would not attach on the outer surface of the jaw, where SARS, as well as Novel Corona virus attached, but rather, the antimalarial fits INSIDE the claw, thus distorting or stretching the outside surface, to the point that the virus cannot latch on. Our hero, reasoned that the drug company was hiding it's formula because it actually worked by also attaching to the inside of the jaw.

Well, what does this have to do with the food that may offer a cure?
Well this particular food, is one of the most allergy producing foods, right up there with peanuts.  When the protein part of this food that I am not yet revealing, gets digested in your stomach,

(A protein is like a beaded necklace that has gotten tangled up, making a useful shape, in it's tangled up form. The twenty or so amino acids ( the beads) string together, each one adding it's own special Junk, or twist,or sharp reactive edge, or soft spot, to knit together the overall protein. Like the artist at the circus, who takes a long skinny balloon and trusts and turns it into the shape of a dog)
So this food protein, being digested by stomach acid,gets snipped into short chains, or short lengths of beads,or amino acid building blocks, which are small enough to pass thru the intestine wall into the blood vessels. Now, short pieces of the original large protein, are called peptides. Peptides can do powerful things. Aspartame, the artificial sweetener, is three amino acids long.
The digested peptides, from our mystery food, get themselves messed up, like mischevious children into our body's
Chemistry.  That is why this food triggers so many allerhies.
One particular snippet fits right into our claw shaped enzyme, letting it chew on it for a while, with no particular result, kind of like our mouths chewing on some bubble gum, with nothing much filling out tummies, but in this particular case, the backside of that jaw, with all the chomping action the jaw is doing,, the back of the jaw gets stretched differently, enough so that the virus does not attach.
The virus does not attach to a claw chewing on bubble gum.
And so, folks, if the virus cannot get a good grip on the outside surface of the cell, it cannot drill it's way in.
Creative daydreams of a young genius?
More than likely.
Actual cure? I will give it a one percent chance.


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hemihead said:


Y’all: implies common agreement. In 90 pages it is clear there is no common consensus.

Enjoying: implies a common emotion across all contributors. Obviously false.

Communism: if you are referring to lockdowns and government intervention, you mean authoritarian or fascist rule.

3 incorrect statements in 5 words.

Would you care to reframe your question into something other than click bait? Should be no problem for a writer such as yourself.


Such a simple question complicated by commie-nism.

I like clickbait, btw.

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Look at all the discourse.
Seems some in here are raging against reality, pulling hairs out. Still blindly following the narrative.

ABC deaths how many people die every day. Hard to believe those numbers, when medical professionals are now coming out questioning  how they are coming up with those numbers, ie labeling any respritory death as covid 19

Hemi that  communism Taurek refers to is exactly what's happening. A 1 world government communist welfare state, what do you think all this printing of money globally is going to do, crash the economy, bringing us to a cashless society, the social credit scoring be used in China will be rolled out globally when that happens. Look how heavily surveilled we already are.

Now how about a bit of history from carpe. I have a living link to WW2, my opa lived in occupied Holland, he told me he hated the Germans for what they did, he also told me stories of German soldiers weeping to go home lamenting loved ones
Another thing he told me he hated the Jews for walking blindly to the concentration camps, who he hated more though where the Jews that sold their own people out.

OK back to the counter narrative.
Check out the #filmyourhospital. More and more people are checking out hospitals, some even overrun epicentres as claimed by the media.

https://youtu.be/KFJbeeVtOFA
CBS caught red handed faking corona virus footage.
Ask yourself personally have you ever experienced the mainstream media lying to you?

https://youtu.be/xhudT0Ssnt4
Medical practitioner explains how viruses work, take note of the police drone at the start of the video, this is actually happening.

https://youtu.be/AoLw-Q8X174
Highlight footage from event 201

There is alot of bullying still going on in this thread from certain members still trying to control the narrative.

Stay safe folks we MUST be united against this.
Or history will just repeat once again

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Carpe, there is no bullying or censorship from anyone attempting to keep the thread ON TOPIC. Moderators have been removing off-topic posts and warning members to stay on topic for years, and now you cry bullying and censorship because it applies to you.  The topic of this thread is the coronavirus, not vaccines ( which didn't start the Coronavirus ), or communism/socialism, etc.  You're acting more like a disrespectful bully than anyone in this thread, imho.

You ( and Val ) are the one referring to participants as blind, asleep, ignorantly following the narrative and the like for not swallowing or believing your every word.  And you won't start your own thread entitled, CORONAVIRUS IS A GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER BLAHBLAHBLAH or some other bs title because you want this thread for your platform because of the views and participants.

What you're accusing others of and being is actually a mirror of yourself.  


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Ahavati said:Carpe, there is no bullying or censorship from anyone attempting to keep the thread ON TOPIC. Moderators have been removing off-topic posts and warning members to stay on topic for years, and now you cry bullying and censorship because it applies to you.  The topic of this thread is the coronavirus, not vaccines ( which didn't start the Coronavirus ), or communism/socialism, etc.  You're acting more like a disrespectful bully than anyone in this thread, imho.

You ( and Val ) are the one referring to participants as blind, asleep, ignorantly following the narrative and the like for not swallowing or believing your every word.  And you won't start your own thread entitled, CORONAVIRUS IS A GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER BLAHBLAHBLAH or some other bs title because you want this thread for your platform because of the views and participants.

What you're accusing others of and being is actually a mirror of yourself.  



Did Billy not state he felt bullied in this thread for posting alternative narratives.

Did YOU or did YOU not try and censor me by calling for the mods to remove my posts, which by the way was an overstepping of YOUR bounds.

Val and I are just 2 of many intelligent people questioning the narrative of known liars.

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Carpe_Noctem said:

Did Billy not state he felt bullied in this thread for posting alternative narratives.

Did YOU or did YOU not try and censor me by calling for the mods to remove my posts, which by the way was an overstepping of YOUR bounds.

Val and I are just 2 of many intelligent people questioning the narrative of known liars.


Yes; as the thread starter I had/have every right to request off-topic posts be removed ( and many were ). Also a moderator even suggested an alternative thread be started.  Why do you think that is?

An intelligent person utilizes intellect, not name calling or labeling others who do not agree with them blind or ignorant.  

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