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hemihead said:A comment above mentions “that Trump was democratically elected”, and that no one may challenge his right to act because of that.

"democracy should never be usurped by violent or smear tactics."
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hemihead said:Change should not come from the barrel of a gun but should come from a vote in the ballot box. Regardless of the looney left who shout not my president because He Is!

Firstly, the US is not a democracy. It is a democratic republic, and the difference is (loosely), that you vote for people whom you empower to then select a president. Why this matters is that;

- the representatives you vote for need vast sums of money to campaign. If you don’t have enough money you can not compete. This excludes the bulk of the population from acting as representatives, unless they gain the favour of wealthy people and organisations. Do you see opportunities for a problems with this?

- the representatives do not have to say where they are getting funding from, so their motivations and promises to powerful people and organisations are not knowable (there are some controls on this, but they are so loose as to be lip service only)

- the party in power can reshape the voting areas to skew the true results within it, quite legally, via gerrymandering, which is a mathematically complex way to rig results. This is a fact of the US election system, and takes money and effort to do, with the effects lasting for many election cycles

- huge tracts if the US population are excluded from voting quite deliberately by clever use of laws to exclude them as well as difficulties of access which target minorities and low income people most heavily.

- the last election was, as is now a statement of fact, impacted by a foreign government orchestrating a massive media campaign using very sophisticated social engineering algorithms

Somewhere in here, in what is only a very small list of the total number of issues that might be raised about the process, democratic process as understood by the Greeks who invented it has clearly left the room.


I agree for once, democracy as a concept is fatally flawed and I cannot find in history where a democratic system that wasn't corrupt. Right-wing / Left-wing makes no matter they are all corruptible. Communism / Socialism as a system is equally corrupt.
the possibility of a system that is fair to everyone is unobtainable as a result of the evils side of the human condition.

please suggest your ideas for a fairer system that does not rely on mob rule or totalinarism

hemihead said:You may explain to me how the points above constitute democracy should you feel you are able. (Hint: the more you understand of the topic, the more you will be unable to demonstrate this)

I am more than able to express an opinion as I was a government senoir legal advisor for 19 years. Interesting last paragraph seems closed minded and seems like an assumption of a lack of intelect.

all of the points? The fact is this is the system we have. We either live with it or peacefully try to change it. What we have in the Western World are corrupt democratic systems - no exceptions

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David_Macleod said:

seems like another straw man argument to me. We either have free speech or controlled speech. If free speech has restrictions then it is not FREE!

example: If I expressed an opinion on Facebook, or Twitter, or on a street corner that I thought that the Islamisation of the UK would lead to slaughter and we should fight against it, what would happen? I would be banned from facebook and twitter and I would get prosecuted and jailed for a hate crime. This is free speech?? really???


irony, they name is...

so, it would seem free speech for some and not for others is being advocated...

diatribe? so you'd happily list the requirements of haiku as per the american society of haiku, informed by japanese culture and art over millennia, as a diatribe? or maybe that's soley intended as an attack on my own words and opinions. am i not free to voice poetic facts and my opinions of those without you attacking me for doing so? why not address the FACTS about what constitutes HAIKU?

funny how that works


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butters said:

funny how that works



"Irony thy name is fake political correctness"

(Butter said: "so, it would seem free speech for some and not for others is being advocated...")

you need to read and try to understand what is being advocated try it with better eyes.

( Butter said: "diatribe? so you'd happily list the requirements of haiku as per the american society of haiku, informed by japanese culture and art over millennia, as a diatribe? or maybe that's soley intended as an attack on my own words and opinions. am i not free to voice poetic facts and my opinions of those without you attacking me for doing so? why not address the FACTS about what constitutes HAIKU?")

you really need to let this go for your own sanity's sake It's staggering that your recent diatribes and attack on a simple competition which gained you nothing positive. We had a wonderful traditional Japanese haiku competition with lots of contributors and every entry was a traditional Japanese Haiku (FACT) Weirdly this repeated attack found its way on to this thread. This is a bit like the pot and the kettle if you have achieved anything with your diatribes it is only been the fact that you do not understand how all poetry evolves as the haiku did from another Japanese form.

Everyone here has a right to express any opinion they like, that includes you and when you do everyone has a right of response.
to challenge so-called facts and your own truth and your motivations.
Now what will follow this I wonder: Despite me putting up reasonable arguments, not personal attacks I predict a complaint about this post, Ironically trying to shut me down and refusing to recognise my rights.

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*rollseyes*

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It was wonderful :-))))))

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Freedom and Parrhēsia (Free Speech)
The Cynics clearly privilege freedom, but not merely in a personal sense as a kind of negative liberty. Instead, freedom is advocated in three related forms: eleutheria, freedom or liberty, autarkeia, self-sufficiency, and parrhēsia, freedom of speech or frankness. Their conception of freedom has some shared aspects with other ancient schools; the notion of autonomy which derives from the imperative that reason rule over the passions is found in the ethics of multiple Classical and Hellenistic thinkers. A specifically Cynic sense of freedom, though, is evident in parrhēsia.

An element of parrhēsia, which can be overlooked when it is defined as free or frank speech, is the risk that accompanies speaking so freely and frankly. Legendary examples of the Cynic’s fearlessly free speech occur in Diogenes of Sinope’s interchanges with Alexander the Great. One such example is the following: “When he was sunning himself in the Craneum, Alexander came and stood over him and said, ‘Ask of me any boon you like.’ To which he replied, ‘Stand out of my light’” (Diogenes Laertius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers, Book 6, Chapter 28). At another point, Alexander pronounces his rank to Diogenes of Sinope by saying, “I am Alexander the Great King.” Diogenes responds with his own rank, “I am Diogenes the Cynic,” which is to say “Diogenes the Dog”
Philosopher's Site.

Cheers...Harry

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badmalthus said:Freedom and Parrhēsia (Free Speech)
The Cynics clearly privilege freedom, but not merely in a personal sense as a kind of negative liberty. Instead, freedom is advocated in three related forms: eleutheria, freedom or liberty, autarkeia, self-sufficiency, and parrhēsia, freedom of speech or frankness. Their conception of freedom has some shared aspects with other ancient schools; the notion of autonomy which derives from the imperative that reason rule over the passions is found in the ethics of multiple Classical and Hellenistic thinkers. A specifically Cynic sense of freedom, though, is evident in parrhēsia.

An element of parrhēsia, which can be overlooked when it is defined as free or frank speech, is the risk that accompanies speaking so freely and frankly. Legendary examples of the Cynic’s fearlessly free speech occur in Diogenes of Sinope’s interchanges with Alexander the Great. One such example is the following: “When he was sunning himself in the Craneum, Alexander came and stood over him and said, ‘Ask of me any boon you like.’ To which he replied, ‘Stand out of my light’” (Diogenes Laertius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers, Book 6, Chapter 28). At another point, Alexander pronounces his rank to Diogenes of Sinope by saying, “I am Alexander the Great King.” Diogenes responds with his own rank, “I am Diogenes the Cynic,” which is to say “Diogenes the Dog”
Philosopher's Site.

Cheers...Harry


This was genuinely fascinating :-)))))))))))))))))))))

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Meanwhile, back in the news regarding the battle over political ads, they will no longer be welcome on Twitter, CEO Jack Dorsey announced.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-30/twitter-to-ban-political-advertising-globally-ceo-dorsey-says

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Ahavati said:
Meanwhile, back in the news regarding the battle over political ads, they will no longer be welcome on Twitter, CEO Jack Dorsey announced.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-30/twitter-to-ban-political-advertising-globally-ceo-dorsey-says
yeah, saw that... between that and facebook's laissez-faire attitude, no-one takes responsibility for the content of those ads. no fact-checking, no onus on the advertiser to produce truthful material.

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Yes please let silicon billionaires decide what is truth or real or fact...I want private industry to police my speech...big bad political figures say mean things that hurt my feelings...and MUST BE SUPPRESSED...please please big tech remove free speech so that I don't have to think...thinking for myself if soooo overrated...I can't watch an ad and make a logical conclusion for myself. I need my leftist masters to decide all that for me...

Absolutely incredible to see people wishing for big tech to silence conservatives all the while ignorant of history where conservatives and then liberals are in turn shut down....ohh well throw that history book in the trash and let us all be controlled...it is soo much easier to bend over than stand up

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butters said:yeah, saw that... between that and facebook's laissez-faire attitude, no-one takes responsibility for the content of those ads. no fact-checking, no onus on the advertiser to produce truthful material.

Zuckerberg actually addressed the responsibility issue in his speech to Georgetown, which is why they are now requiring valid ID's of account holders in regards to political ads. What preturbs me is that the current platform allows politicians and elected officials to run false and misleading advertising on the platform.

Sen. Mark Warner has drafted a letter to Zuckerberg, calling for Facebook to hold itself to the same standard as local TV broadcasters.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/29/sen-warner-asks-zuckerberg-to-reconsider-false-political-facebook-ads.html

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newp... just calling for good editorial practise. advertisers are generally held to certain standards when selling their product; if their ads clearly break those guidelines, they get sent back to be fixed or they won't get run.

and from some of the responses i'd say some people clearly have issues with determining what's 'truth' and what's 'alternate truth' (hint: NOT true)

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butters said:newp... just calling for good editorial practise. advertisers are generally held to certain standards when selling their product; if their ads clearly break those guidelines, they get sent back to be fixed or they won't get run.

and from some of the responses i'd say some people clearly have issues with determining what's 'truth' and what's 'alternate truth' (hint: NOT true)


Yeps. Particularly with the birth of faux facts in this very thread! LOL!

Zuckerberg basically contradicts himself when he references the removal of "purported" false informational posts from facebook to protect people. And, yet, allows knowing false information to be distributed in ads which could destroy a nation - and most definitely the people those false ads target, i.e. - Trump's false ad about Joe Biden.  

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/9/20906612/trump-campaign-ad-joe-biden-ukraine-facebook

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oh oh, facebook's app used to hack numerous top gov't officials in 20 u.s allied countries over 5 continents

https://www.wsj.com/articles/house-democrats-probe-white-house-officials-email-use-11553188033

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Senior government officials in multiple U.S.-allied countries were targeted earlier this year with hacking software that used Facebook Inc's (FB.O) WhatsApp to take over users' phones, according to people familiar with the messaging company's investigation.

Sources familiar with WhatsApp’s internal investigation into the breach said a “significant” portion of the known victims are high-profile government and military officials spread across at least 20 countries on five continents"

ivanka and jared's fave goto app.
wassap, guys?


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