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Ahavati
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mysteriouslady said:MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!  

As a non-American I am genuinely intrigued to know when America was last great (under whose presidencies?), and what did America at that former time look like (feel like?) in terms of culture, social mobility, economy, foreign-policy/military-actions ... and/or any other categories that relate to greatness. ie: what does greatness look like on American soil?

Ahavati
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Josh said:

As a non-American I am genuinely intrigued to know when America was last great (under whose presidencies?), and what did America at that former time look like (feel like?) in terms of culture, social mobility, economy, foreign-policy/military-actions ... and/or any other categories that relate to greatness. ie: what does greatness look like on American soil?


I'm experiencing a Deja vu. I had this discussion with someone here who attempted to claim it was when Tulsa ( Black Wall Street ) was thriving despite what was happening in the other parts of the country. All I asked for was one decade. . .just ONE DECADE that America ( as a whole not one city ) was "GREAT". Of course, it couldn't be provided.

Josh this is a GREAT thread idea, as it's off-topic in this one. I suggest started a thread with your above questions.  

badmalthus
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“For optimists, the most perplexing question is how one becomes a pessimist – if one is not born one. For the pessimist, the question is how each person, by virtue of being born, is not already a pessimist.”

― Eugene Thacker, Infinite Resignation

PS I highly recommend Thacker's book.

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badmalthus said:“For optimists, the most perplexing question is how one becomes a pessimist – if one is not born one. For the pessimist, the question is how each person, by virtue of being born, is not already a pessimist.”

― Eugene Thacker, Infinite Resignation

PS I highly recommend Thacker's book.


Thanks Harry for both the quote, and the book details.
All the best, Josh.

Josh
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Ahavati said:

I'm experiencing a Deja vu. I had this discussion with someone here who attempted to claim it was when Tulsa ( Black Wall Street ) was thriving despite what was happening in the other parts of the country. All I asked for was one decade. . .just ONE DECADE that America ( as a whole not one city ) was "GREAT". Of course, it couldn't be provided.

Josh this is a GREAT thread idea, as it's off-topic in this one. I suggest started a thread with your above questions.  


I recalled somewhere in my neural-network that you had asked a similar question on some forum or other. in the past. Actually, I'm Genuinely curious - What would Britain look like to earn its self-proclaimed title Great Britain? Or France or Sweden or any other country? What boxes have to be ticked to justify the label 'great' as applied to a nation-state?
Well, maybe you're right - it would make a good thread

Aquaheal
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I also started thinking about what makes a nation great. So I started looking at quotes on the internet on the subject. Here is one that jumped out at me.

“No one has ever achieved greatness without dreams.”
Roy T. Bennett, The Light in the Heart

Perhaps, it is not a particular time or specific thing that makes Americans proud to be an American. Maybe it is just the American spirit. A spirit that would often dream big. It reminds me of a patriotic song I heard in my younger years. I think they play it at Trump rallies often.

And I’m proud to be an American,
‘Cause at least I know I’m free.
And I won’t forget the men who died,
Who gave that right to me.
And I’ll proudly stand up next to you,
And defend her still today.
‘Cause there ain’t no doubt I love this land.
God bless the USA.
God bless the USA.

American pride may not make logical sense to other nations. I don’t think most Americans think about it much either. The average native born American is pretty poorly aware of their history and their own constitution. That also includes major political figures like their senator, their congressman, their governor and influential policy makers like Supreme Court justices. Heck, a lot of Americans don’t even know who the president of the United States is. A lot of Americans are seriously wondering if the president even knows who he is. The MAGA movement does not seem to have a set definition of what a great America is but I think they generally agree that things could, at least in theory, be better, a lot better.

I hope that sheds some light on things, at least a little bit.

ajay
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Politics is concentrated economics

(V. I. Lenin)

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Aquaheal said:I also started thinking about what makes a nation great. So I started looking at quotes on the internet on the subject. Here is one that jumped out at me.

“No one has ever achieved greatness without dreams.”
Roy T. Bennett, The Light in the Heart

Perhaps, it is not a particular time or specific thing that makes Americans proud to be an American. Maybe it is just the American spirit. A spirit that would often dream big. It reminds me of a patriotic song I heard in my younger years. I think they play it at Trump rallies often.

And I’m proud to be an American,
‘Cause at least I know I’m free.
And I won’t forget the men who died,
Who gave that right to me.
And I’ll proudly stand up next to you,
And defend her still today.
‘Cause there ain’t no doubt I love this land.
God bless the USA.
God bless the USA.

American pride may not make logical sense to other nations. I don’t think most Americans think about it much either. The average native born American is pretty poorly aware of their history and their own constitution. That also includes major political figures like their senator, their congressman, their governor and influential policy makers like Supreme Court justices. Heck, a lot of Americans don’t even know who the president of the United States is. A lot of Americans are seriously wondering if the president even knows who he is. The MAGA movement does not seem to have a set definition of what a great America is but I think they generally agree that things could, at least in theory, be better, a lot better.

I hope that sheds some light on things, at least a little bit.


Thank you Aquaheal for taking the time to write such an interesting comment. As a European I find America a strange country - at least what we get of it on the world stage. So the MAGA thing prompted me to start a new thread this evening on the topic of 'Great" (as applied to a Nation). You can find it here:
https://deepundergroundpoetry.com/forum/speakeasy/read/12666/#572206
Perhaps you could copy & paste your comment to that thread as well.
Best regards, Josh.


Aquaheal
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ajay said:

Politics is concentrated economics

(V. I. Lenin)


That reminds me of a one liner I came up with. I put it into a search engine and it appears no one has thought of it.

“The hand that fills the plate, rules the state.”

I’m sure Lenin would wholeheartedly agree.

badmalthus
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No worries Josh.

Aquaheal
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blocat said:"One should forgive one's enemies, but not before they are hanged" Heinrich Heine
"The more I read him, the less I wonder that they poisoned him" Thomas Babington Macaulay on Socrates
"Whatever women do they must do twice as well as men to be thought half as good. Luckily this is not difficult" Charlotte Whitton, former mayor of Ottawa.



"The more I read him, the less I wonder that they poisoned him" Thomas Babington Macaulay on Socrates

Here is one that came to me this morning.

Those that question everything are left to no one listening.

Aquaheal
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I like this one.

Those who rethink
All that they knew
Get out of sync
With what’s held true.

There’s nothing like a long warm shower.

Ahavati
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Did you know that if you put 100 black ants and 100 red ants in a jar, nothing will happen? But if you shake the jar hard, the ants start killing each other. The red ants consider the black ants their enemies, and the black ants consider the red ants their enemies. The true enemy is the one shaking the jar. The same thing happens in human society. So, before we attack each other, we should think about who is shaking the jar. ~ Kurt Vonnegut

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“A life that partakes even a little of friendship, love, irony, humor, parenthood, literature, and music, and the chance to take part in battles for the liberation of others cannot be called 'meaningless' except if the person living it is also an existentialist and elects to call it so. It could be that all existence is a pointless joke, but it is not in fact possible to live one's everyday life as if this were so.” - Christopher Hitchens

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