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Poetry After A Poet's Death (The New Bukowski Anthology)
Anonymous
So I discovered today (and subsequently pre-ordered - thank you Amazon pre-order price guarantee) that they are releasing a new Bukowski anthology. "Storm for the living and the dead: uncollected and unpublished poems" is being released on December the 14th this year.
I guess my question is (after reading a disgruntled review in the comments on Amazon. Which I think is funny, considering they haven't even seen the book yet) how do you feel about poetry anthologies that are released years after the death of a poet?
I guess the main reason for my purchase here is because of curiousity; I want to see what it is that didn't quite make the cut to compare to his published work. Then another part of me thinks "did it not get published purely because it wasn't very good...?"
Do you think unpublished works should remain unpublished as part of the mystery, or are all poems written to be read? Are modern publishers just milking his notoriety as a poet?
Your thoughts, if you will.
I guess my question is (after reading a disgruntled review in the comments on Amazon. Which I think is funny, considering they haven't even seen the book yet) how do you feel about poetry anthologies that are released years after the death of a poet?
I guess the main reason for my purchase here is because of curiousity; I want to see what it is that didn't quite make the cut to compare to his published work. Then another part of me thinks "did it not get published purely because it wasn't very good...?"
Do you think unpublished works should remain unpublished as part of the mystery, or are all poems written to be read? Are modern publishers just milking his notoriety as a poet?
Your thoughts, if you will.
Umm
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I think it's okay, no one would know who Emily Dickinson is if her poems hadn't been found and published after she died.
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Would you say that death only adds to the value of a Poet then?
Umm
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not necessarily
I think writers and artists who weren't well known while they were alive and became famous postmortem were more likely to be ahead of their time, but death does seem to raise the monetary value of an already established artists work .. i'm not sure how that works for writers
I think writers and artists who weren't well known while they were alive and became famous postmortem were more likely to be ahead of their time, but death does seem to raise the monetary value of an already established artists work .. i'm not sure how that works for writers
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not that writers can't be artists ..
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To some extent. I would have questioned that too sometimes ago but needed prove: I've noticed it since i've been writting poetry even up to a thousand plus: Most of the renowned poets are dead. Shakespeare,Sophocles,Goerge Herbert,Williams Wordsworth,Williams Blake amongs other. Does that mean that we don't have new poet that surpass them?
Anonymous
Some interesting points so far.
I think this doesn’t necessarily restrict itself to poetry. Musicians also - a lot of their notoriety occurred after they died. It seems like death has become this symbol of success. Maybe it’s legend, in a sense. Or legacy gone wild... but I’m also aware death is an opportunistic chance to cash in on a name - and people often do.
I don’t necessarily think that we don’t have any new poets to surpass them - I don’t think that’s the case at all. Maybe the value comes with time. Like a lot of things.
I think this doesn’t necessarily restrict itself to poetry. Musicians also - a lot of their notoriety occurred after they died. It seems like death has become this symbol of success. Maybe it’s legend, in a sense. Or legacy gone wild... but I’m also aware death is an opportunistic chance to cash in on a name - and people often do.
I don’t necessarily think that we don’t have any new poets to surpass them - I don’t think that’s the case at all. Maybe the value comes with time. Like a lot of things.
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when they released an unpublished work by Brautigan I got it & was so happy I did it is another "gift" from someone who cannot write anything new so enjoy your book
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'You do not know what you have lost until it is gone'.
Post-art (as in after the artist) often seem like the collected dust trails from a meteoric impact. They seem to be an attempt to continue the spark and interest that is in the artist's main work or most notable work. Such as how there is the 'Silmarillion' which is basically the mythology extra background to The Lord of the Rings.
Personally I believe most of these released works are more to do with the limits of time and mortality and the lack of polishing time, than simply greedy people scraping the barrel for more gold.
If anything it is a triumph of legacy that post-art can still get attention and money, not as handy to the ex-artist but its said that you cannot take it with you when you die! Things take time to spread and their impact and influence to be seen, but the famous and most known art was surprising in roughly the same position in it's day. It is just that what with the internet, the 'emergence' of post-art comes with more fanfare and can more easily compared to the original than in the past where post-art was more a case of misplace and mishap than intentional post-artist release.
Post-art (as in after the artist) often seem like the collected dust trails from a meteoric impact. They seem to be an attempt to continue the spark and interest that is in the artist's main work or most notable work. Such as how there is the 'Silmarillion' which is basically the mythology extra background to The Lord of the Rings.
Personally I believe most of these released works are more to do with the limits of time and mortality and the lack of polishing time, than simply greedy people scraping the barrel for more gold.
If anything it is a triumph of legacy that post-art can still get attention and money, not as handy to the ex-artist but its said that you cannot take it with you when you die! Things take time to spread and their impact and influence to be seen, but the famous and most known art was surprising in roughly the same position in it's day. It is just that what with the internet, the 'emergence' of post-art comes with more fanfare and can more easily compared to the original than in the past where post-art was more a case of misplace and mishap than intentional post-artist release.
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Hopefully someone won't wait too long to kick Neil Young's corpse and see if any new songs fall out.
but, I can see the attraction to it. same time -its a supply demand chain with vultures at both end.
same time, I'm not judging
but, I can see the attraction to it. same time -its a supply demand chain with vultures at both end.
same time, I'm not judging
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Taurek - iBooks... haha. I’m incredibly fussy about my poetry books. Any other book in the world I can buy on kindle, but poetry has to be the physical copy. Poetry I like to hold and taste and smell and feel. Poetry I like to read in the bath with a cup of tea. So I’ll happily wait until December for the physical copy
Viddax - Do you think there is a certain element of releasing it as a duty for the fans? I mean you obviously like LOTR - how else would you know about the silmarillion? Perhaps the publishers feel that the fans deserve to know what happened before or after a book, or a Poet, or a film.
Perhaps people become absorbed in the lives of others, and feel a duty to discover what happened for themselves.
Craic - If anything I think it’s more prevalent amongst musicians. Yeah. I’m waiting with baited breath for the unreleased Bowie tracks to make an appearance. I think in cases like that, I’d just be happy to hear the music again.
Viddax - Do you think there is a certain element of releasing it as a duty for the fans? I mean you obviously like LOTR - how else would you know about the silmarillion? Perhaps the publishers feel that the fans deserve to know what happened before or after a book, or a Poet, or a film.
Perhaps people become absorbed in the lives of others, and feel a duty to discover what happened for themselves.
Craic - If anything I think it’s more prevalent amongst musicians. Yeah. I’m waiting with baited breath for the unreleased Bowie tracks to make an appearance. I think in cases like that, I’d just be happy to hear the music again.
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With fans any old stuff with barely any connection can and sometimes will do, so it is not a matter of duty for the fans. It is more a matter of respect and background: of saying to the gathered crowd 'so I know you like x. But wait! there's more!' and then showing the rest of the workings behind the curtain. An attempt to keep up the magic's mesmerism and show all the wares not just the best.
I actually read the Silmarillion more out of a sense of challenge after hearing people complain about its length and complexity, and to also see more of Tolkein's mythology side of writing, rather than have a nerdgasm at simply reading more JRRT stuff. The Silmarillion adds to the LOTR trilogy (quadrilogy with the Hobbit) but just lacks the honed craft of them.
I agree that some people, often those who are close or are fans, do feel that it is their duty to see the pieces published and done as it is a last wish they take upon themselves to enact.
I actually read the Silmarillion more out of a sense of challenge after hearing people complain about its length and complexity, and to also see more of Tolkein's mythology side of writing, rather than have a nerdgasm at simply reading more JRRT stuff. The Silmarillion adds to the LOTR trilogy (quadrilogy with the Hobbit) but just lacks the honed craft of them.
I agree that some people, often those who are close or are fans, do feel that it is their duty to see the pieces published and done as it is a last wish they take upon themselves to enact.
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I have almost everything Hank wrote...unfortunately he did write too much and didn't know how to chuck some shit out lol. I think Martin and his wife are now just publishing the worst of the worse of his leftovers.