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Is it OK to be negative on DUP

Savaja
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For what it's worth, I believe Jack was under the impression that he was banned for one particular incident pertaining to what he linked above.

Perhaps, it was unclear to him, because of the wording used in that post, that other, previous actions and interactions (private messages and public forum postings, perhaps) were being taken into account as well. Just a thought...

BoFantastic
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is there such a thing as a poet gangster or a poet thug? then allow me to be the first. I will use the most subtlest secret metaphors to critique your poetry, and I will make it sound as if I paid you a compliment, but you been doddle-swapped, hah! I doddle-swapped your poetry and you were oblivious to my ploy. hah.

Grace
IDryad
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Thats an interesting concept,Bo. Might well work. :)

Savaja
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As far as critiquing is concerned, rules of politesse are paramount. But, poetry is like any other art in that it oft-times elicits strong responses and emotions, which it is supposed to do.

This is, quite frequently, I believe, the mark of excellent art so one does not have to necessarily like a piece for it to be good or stellar and I think it can be appropriate to indicate that honesty in critique.

One can say that a piece elicits a strong negative emotion, yet recognize that that is what makes the poem remarkable and, indeed, sets it off.

poet Anonymous

In summary, as pointed out by Lord Viddax;
"This poem is shit" is bad
And "this poem is shit because.....(Insert reasonable remarks)
Is good

Unless they ask for friendly feedback, which should be respected
If you have nothing constructive and helpful then help yourself to the next poem.
If you can't do good at least don't do bad.

I'm resigning from this thread now and refuse to indulge anymore of the childish accusations .
As with most things in life, the fault is more than one sided and there is wrong on either side. As with most things in life, no-one will admit fault, accept it and move on

But I will

DiscipleofLife
Fenom
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Honest critiques are vital to your fellow writers advancement in their writing. Often we find our circle of friends only saying nice things about our poems, and I do this as well, so I'm not acting like I don't.  

Harsh critiques can hurt a persons feelings for sure. The first attempt at a poem I ever made I posted here in the workshop. It was a real piece of shit, and I asked for a critique. HEMI, ripped me a new asshole. Evan, was hardcore about his answer but he left me feeling like he was the type that would at least give a guy a reach around, if you know what I'm saying...

Anyway, that shit was not fun to hear, and I took it personal. However, looking back those critiques were the most important and most effective critiques I've ever gotten. You have to have a thick skin to grow, it's as simple as that.

Then you have the fact that someone writing what they feel like expressing can never be wrong in my opinion and that was my argument to HEMI and others, so it's a fine line really...

In the end critiques should come down to being honest but respectful. That's how most of the world works and it's never going to work that way anywhere, completely, let alone an anonymous forum. Most forums have rules of etiquette in place.

For me, as long as it's not threatening or ridiculously abusive, especially in a sexual harassment type manner toward the ladies, everything else should be acceptable if they select 'I want honest critiques'.

Take care...

-ed aka Fenom

AscensionES
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I can recall a recent incident with another power corrupted 'guardian of shadows' that banned a well-respected and established writer due to an honest remark that rubbed her the wrong way.. That culprit being 'somelikeithot' otherwise known as 'kitty'.. Her moderator powers were revoked.

When is it Lavender's turn?
- If this comment is deleted, you had no right, nor justification.

MadameLavender
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Alright, let's cut the playground bullshit--enough is enough.  Why does it matter what types of comps I start? Maybe some people actually like to laugh and not brood over everything all the time.   There is such a thing as tongue-in-cheek humor, you know. If you don't like it, go try another comp.  Next, Kitty left of her own accord, she was not banned from being a moderator--she felt that the job was causing her too much stress and she did not have the time to devote to doing it.  That's your reason, not because she banned someone.  And as far as banning, just because someone is banned, don't assume that I'm always the one that's doing it--all the other mods have that ability.

 Another point that seems to constantly arise is the "harder side" in the title of this webpage--this is a poetry webpage, in case a reminder is needed, and "harder" refers to the poems themselves, not acting like a jerk in the forums, hurling personal attacks against people.  

Finally, just because a number of the other mods choose not to post in the forums as much as I do, doesn't mean that I  control this place--it just means that I'm a little more visible than they are, and not that they aren't here at all.   There's a lot that's done behind the scenes to keep this place open and welcoming for all--how many times do you think we've had to deal with plagiarists?  A lot more than is visible.  How many times do you think we've needed to deal with someone threatening another by PM or sending out unwanted erotic PM's?  A lot more than is visible.  How many hours do you think were put in to get rid of Vizard?  A lot more than you may think.

So fine--if everyone wants this place to be overrun by trolls, and have no system of checks and balances in place, then hey, whatever.  I seem to remember you, Evan, saying "where the fuck are the mods?" back when Vizard was running rampant, and all the crap was going on that caused the mass exodus.  They weren't visible, from what I saw, not having been a mod, yet, myself.  So now that there are mods that are visible, and putting things out in the open, everyone doesn't like it now?  I can certainly be not as visible if that's more preferred, and everyone can fight their own battles and have another blood bath if that's what people would rather have.  

admin
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DU Poetry has a system of time limited bans which precede any permanent ban (with the exception of spammers which may be banned immediately).

If you do have an account ban and wish to start afresh at DU Poetry then I believe it would be prudent to stay away from controversy and return solely with the aim of sharing, reading and developing poetry.

Poems themselves are not censored (aside from personal attacks and data protection considerations). However, forum posts and comments are subject to reasonable boundaries without which DU Poetry would cease to be a welcoming, tolerant environment for people to share their creativity. Moderators work tirelessly to achieve this goal, often forced to make difficult decisions (with members on both sides, keen to criticize them whichever course of action they take). Our Guardians of Shadows are not praised enough for the effort they put in.

MadameLavender
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^^Many thanks, Webmiss. :)

johnrot
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all the real cocksuckers who got banned are still here under a diff avatar anyway.
still talkin shit in forums under different names.

evan is the only person who tells everybody to fuck off and owns his shit.

personally i got no love for the rest of you slippery lil coward bitches who change your name everyday.

2 poem havin,thousand forum post,non writin,mad about not bein noticed in high school,competition dissin,fakin sleepin with a book on your nose so people think you are smart,just want attention,closest to gettin laid is someone replyin to an ignorant comment left cunts. "i would enter this comp,but it wouldn't be fair cuz i'm so good"

i don't think it's coincidence that the majority of people who got a problem with how this shit is run, don't write anything anyway............

go be a bartender

or start another facebook account.............

negative? positive?

be real






EngrVV
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I believe it's OK to be negative with the contents of your poems; that's your freedom of speech. However with regards to comments in the forums/poems posted by fellow poets, we should avoid negativity because it can only hinder someone's growth as a poet. Instead we should try to be polite and give an honest, constructive feedback to whoever ask for it, thus giving them encouragement and room to grow. We are here to share our creative talents and learn from each other...

Grace
IDryad
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My thoughts exactly, EngrVV.

poet Anonymous

I've only been here a short time and seen a lot of shit that I could report to the mods.... but I leave it alone. If two people have beef let em stomp it out 1v1.

Obviously if someone was posting child porn in the forums I'd report it. I just think this place needs to harden up, too many sensitives running their mouths, then blow up when someone challenges them. I don't want to see this place go ban hammer happy.

I am curious / confused - Jack got put on a temp ban.... never got let off... then got banned straight up - while currently on the temp ban? (which in my understanding is your official warning)

What did he do to get pushed from a temp ban to a perma ban? If you want to withhold these answers, don't ban me for doing what he did - use this opportunity to warn people... Whole sitch is a mess... We get 1 thread to go off of where there were shots fired from all directions and then some he said she said shit.... but she's a mod, so case closed.........

Grace
IDryad
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Sugarskull, this website is for you to write and to hone your skills as a writer; poems proses and what have you. You interact with fellow DU members and learn from them as I'm sure they will learn from you. There will be clashes of  opinions but thats bound to happen.
Just don't attack others personally or troll them or accord unsolicited attention to others. You will be alright.
As for he says she says...read what the Webmiss posted.

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