Chat bot generated poems and critique

Ahavati said:

I'm not smart enough to answer the latter. I'm only human!

But seriously ( though that was serious ), The downloads, flashes of thought I've been receiving have been pivotal in altering my perspective about this since the thread was started. And, no, it's not because of the movie, Creator. I think the movie may have affirmed what I had been feeling all along.

AI doesn't create the karma of our country or world; we do. The karma of the world or country determines the outcome of any situation: leadership, inventions, creations, etc. Wherever we are as individuals, we become a part of that collective karma, not because we have caused it, but because of how the karma is collectively acting out. In this case, I feel destructively, i.e. - war, et al. It's like being a single drop in a multitude of drops in the ocean. Whichever way the current flows is where we go.
 
When this happens, it creates the context of what we as a society need to learn. Mainly, to overcome the opposite of Love, which is fear. What's going on in the world right now has the capacity to scare the living daylights out of me; however, if I act on that fear then it will add even more destructive patterns to the chaos. But if I trusted Love, then nothing would frighten me.

With trust in Love, I can handle a certain flow of current more easily than some others can, because it doesn't seem like a problem to me; the present state of the world seems like a problem to me. Which, again, has the propensity to frighten me. However, what it truly does is reveal to me that my faith in Love is still developing, or else I would have no fear.

Thus, I have to believe that by not contributing to the narrative of fear in regard to AI, I am in some small way slowing a raging current. And that a higher intelligence, uncontrolled by man for his destructive need for power, would have to know by virtue of that intelligence that such destructiveness serves no purpose outside of mankind's need for control.


Thanks for the reply. I'm not afraid of technologies per se (except when I press a wrong button and my last hour's work disappears), I'm afraid of a handful of psychos using the power of technology (or money, or religion, or chemicals, etc) to cause multiple miseries for ordinary people just trying to get on with their lives.
Having said that, I believe 'the gods' have intervened in history to (so far) prevent a nuclear war, have intervened via crop-circles, and no doubt have intervened in many other ways unknown. I agree though that humans learn by making mistakes, and karma cannot be by-passed (either individually or collectively).
I agree that the challenge is to live in love, not fear -- and there have been many noble examples of people who did just that, despite being in horrendous circumstances; I take my inspiration from them. Personally, I find this easiest when I am doing something creative.

Sorry to all who stick to all particulars and try to bait me or otherwise pin me to the map for NOT READING ALL THE Pre-text PRIOR TO MY thoughts"
i see a lot of concern on Facebook about " AI " generated stuff.  This subject is sooooooo intriguing for me!!
In my twisted mental illness seeing, reading interpreting and writing, i don't believe AI can reproduce my ink.  That said, if someone who wanted to do me harm could find a coder / programmer to input lots of lines of data then YES,  maybe..........

So far as i can read,
these Bots are writing norms that align with what poetry -- Historical and present fame -- has to offer as a model.

i know a plethera of poets here where i could identfy a bot vs that poet!!!

i am not saying it's gonna be easy,
Just saying, to say.

OK - am done with my thinking aloud.  Thanks for listening.

Josh said:

Thanks for the reply. I'm not afraid of technologies per se (except when I press a wrong button and my last hour's work disappears), I'm afraid of a handful of psychos using the power of technology (or money, or religion, or chemicals, etc) to cause multiple miseries for ordinary people just trying to get on with their lives.
Having said that, I believe 'the gods' have intervened in history to (so far) prevent a nuclear war, have intervened via crop-circles, and no doubt have intervened in many other ways unknown. I agree though that humans learn by making mistakes, and karma cannot be by-passed (either individually or collectively).
I agree that the challenge is to live in love, not fear -- and there have been many noble examples of people who did just that, despite being in horrendous circumstances; I take my inspiration from them. Personally, I find this easiest when I am doing something creative.

There are different types of fear ( as I am sure you're well-aware ): One born of instinct. Another born of intuition. And yet another born of panic. Instinctive causes us to slow down and pay attention to what we're doing to prevent unnecessary mistakes ( although I don't believe there are mistakes, only experiences ). Intuitive can save our lives or bank accounts when we heed its warning about who or what to trust.

I just had to deal with someone attempting to scam one of my biggest clients yesterday. Unfortunately, a customer of theirs fell for it; however, was able to cancel her credit cards before they could be used. We were lucky to have caught it in time, and that more of their thousands of customers didn't fall prey. The victim admitted that she didn't listen to her intuition and felt silly. I felt bad for her but at least all she lost was a bit of pride vs. her entire bank account here at Christmas.

The last is the most dangerous. It induces a blind panic that administers unjust actions, buttering history with bloody corpses of minority races, women, LGBTQ, and anyone else who threatens to assume control over them. That's the fear I was addressing in my post.

As long as man exists, there will be war because a smarter, ego-driven man comes along that knows how to manipulate the masses into overthrowing current leadership. History and present have proven it. Until there is something more intelligent, that is. And while AI may have no conscious that we know of, it also has no ego.

To quote a famous line from Jurrassic Park: "Life finds a way." And we may be witnessing the birth of a new lifeform at our own hands.

I smiled at your "the gods" comment. That is exactly what God is, imho: Love.

Josh I hope you and Veronika have a beautifully blessed Christmas filled with much love and peace!

Ahavati said:
As long as man exists, there will be war because a smarter, ego-driven man comes along that knows how to manipulate the masses into overthrowing current leadership. History and present have proven it. Until there is something more intelligent, that is. And while AI may have no conscious that we know of, it also has no ego.

Hi, A💐.  

In the above, if you'd written:

'As long as class society exists, with the exploitation of one class by another, there will be war' [...]

I would have been inclined to agree with you. However, your homogenous 'man' takes no account of that class division and therefore invalidates your statement.


The next part of the sentence:

... 'because a smarter, ego-driven man comes along that knows how to manipulate the masses into overthrowing current leadership. History and present have proven it.'

is back to front: material circumstance gives rise to the individual or the idea, not the other way around, as you have it: the American War of Independence, for one example, the English Civil War, for another. If I sent you a shortish book – 200pp – explaining my point of view on this matter, would you want to read it or at least begin it and give it a go? I know you're busy.


Re the final part of the quoted extract above:

Until there is something more intelligent, that is. And while AI may have no conscious that we know of, it also has no ego.

Here's an article that balances the hype:
https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2023/04/08/ai-gpt-a-game-changer/


Alex💐

I'm half-asleep but will give this a go.

ajay said:
Hi, A💐.  

In the above, if you'd written:

'As long as class society exists, with the exploitation of one class by another, there will be war' [...]

I would have been inclined to agree with you. However, your homogenous 'man' takes no account of that class division and therefore invalidates your statement.

You mean like the pilgrims who fled oppression to worship freely only to evolve into the monster they hate by encroaching annihilating the indigenous population? Or we could go even further back to to the Hebrews, liberated only to slaughter indigenous peoples and assume their land in the name of God.

Has there ever been a time in our history when there wasn't war of some kind for control of some thing? History is rife with the oppressed rising only to succumb to what oppressed them. Therefore, my statement is valid.

You see, as long as there's fear, and there will be fear, there will be inequality, which equates to classism. Men fear losing what they own, what they don't understand, and what they can't control.

There are far and few exceptions to those individuals who do not abuse their power.

The next part of the sentence:

... 'because a smarter, ego-driven man comes along that knows how to manipulate the masses into overthrowing current leadership. History and present have proven it.'

is back to front: material circumstance gives rise to the individual or the idea, not the other way around, as you have it: the American War of Independence, for one example, the English Civil War, for another. If I sent you a shortish book – 200pp – explaining my point of view on this matter, would you want to read it or at least begin it and give it a go? I know you're busy.

Busy is an I understatement. I don't believe it's back to front, and stated why in the above response to this post.

Re the final part of the quoted extract above:

Until there is something more intelligent, that is. And while AI may have no conscious that we know of, it also has no ego.

Here's an article that balances the hype:
https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2023/04/08/ai-gpt-a-game-changer/

Alex💐


I'll have to read that tomorrow when I find the time. My eyes are too heavy.

Edit: Okay morning coffee break. The article:

Machines cannot think of potential and qualitative changes. New knowledge comes from such transformations (human), not from the extension of existing knowledge (machines).  Only human intelligence is social and can see the potential for change, in particular social change, that leads to a better life for humanity and nature.

While that may be true for now, that line of thinking is hubris on the part of humans. We don't know what's possible nor what may happen. I most definitely won't be here in this existence to witness the evolution of a self-intelligence form, which, in essence, would be a new lifeform.

What I am saying is that I'm not afraid of whatever happens. An advanced lifeform has to be more advanced than a human's need for control or ownership of something to feel safe and secure in their own skin.

While the bible has plenty of 'revisions' verses translations, there are parts that hold truth, like the following:

“Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
   Tell me, if you understand.
Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
   Who stretched a measuring line across it?
On what were its footings set,
   or who laid its cornerstone—
while the morning stars sang together
   and all the angels[a] shouted for joy?

“Who shut up the sea behind doors
   when it burst forth from the womb,
when I made the clouds its garment
   and wrapped it in thick darkness,
when I fixed limits for it
   and set its doors and bars in place,
when I said, ‘This far you may come and no farther;
   here is where your proud waves halt’?
“Have you ever given orders to the morning,
   or shown the dawn its place,
that it might take the earth by the edges
   and shake the wicked out of it?
The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;
   its features stand out like those of a garment.
The wicked are denied their light,
   and their upraised arm is broken.

“Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
   or walked in the recesses of the deep?
Have the gates of death been shown to you?
   Have you seen the gates of the deepest darkness?
Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth?
   Tell me, if you know all this.

“What is the way to the abode of light?
   And where does darkness reside?
Can you take them to their places?
   Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
Surely you know, for you were already born!
   You have lived so many years!

[ . . . ]

“Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades?
   Can you loosen Orion’s belt?
Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons
   or lead out the Bear[d] with its cubs?
Do you know the laws of the heavens?
   Can you set up God’s dominion over the earth?

“Can you raise your voice to the clouds
   and cover yourself with a flood of water?
Do you send the lightning bolts on their way?
   Do they report to you, ‘Here we are’?
Who gives the ibis wisdom
   or gives the rooster understanding?
Who has the wisdom to count the clouds?
   Who can tip over the water jars of the heavens
when the dust becomes hard
   and the clods of earth stick together?

Excerpt, the Book of Job

You get the point. While God ( as well as Goddess ) is a word we have created to define the energies at play, we just don't know - for sure. Though we sure do speculate, a lot.

Ahavati said:I'm half-asleep but will give this a go.
While that may be true for now, that line of thinking is hubris on the part of humans. We don't know what's possible nor what may happen. I most definitely won't be here in this existence to witness the evolution of a self-intelligence form, which, in essence, would be a new lifeform.

What I am saying is that I'm not afraid of whatever happens. An advanced lifeform has to be more advanced than a human's need for control or ownership of something to feel safe and secure in their own skin.

While the bible has plenty of 'revisions' verses translations, there are parts that hold truth, like the following:

“Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
   Tell me, if you understand.
Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
   Who stretched a measuring line across it?
On what were its footings set,
   or who laid its cornerstone—
while the morning stars sang together
   and all the angels[a] shouted for joy?

“Who shut up the sea behind doors
   when it burst forth from the womb,
when I made the clouds its garment
   and wrapped it in thick darkness,
when I fixed limits for it
   and set its doors and bars in place,
when I said, ‘This far you may come and no farther;
   here is where your proud waves halt’?
“Have you ever given orders to the morning,
   or shown the dawn its place,
that it might take the earth by the edges
   and shake the wicked out of it?
The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;
   its features stand out like those of a garment.
The wicked are denied their light,
   and their upraised arm is broken.

“Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
   or walked in the recesses of the deep?
Have the gates of death been shown to you?
   Have you seen the gates of the deepest darkness?
Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth?
   Tell me, if you know all this.

“What is the way to the abode of light?
   And where does darkness reside?
Can you take them to their places?
   Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
Surely you know, for you were already born!
   You have lived so many years!

[ . . . ]

“Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades?
   Can you loosen Orion’s belt?
Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons
   or lead out the Bear[d] with its cubs?
Do you know the laws of the heavens?
   Can you set up God’s dominion over the earth?

“Can you raise your voice to the clouds
   and cover yourself with a flood of water?
Do you send the lightning bolts on their way?
   Do they report to you, ‘Here we are’?
Who gives the ibis wisdom
   or gives the rooster understanding?
Who has the wisdom to count the clouds?
   Who can tip over the water jars of the heavens
when the dust becomes hard
   and the clods of earth stick together?

Excerpt, the Book of Job

You get the point. While God ( as well as Goddess ) is a word we have created to define the energies at play, we just don't know - for sure. Though we sure do speculate, a lot.
That's me told. 🙃

ajay said:
That's me told. 🙃

Aww. I didn't mean to "tell" you ( or anyone ). Those passages are beautiful though and remind us that we each are so tiny and insignificant in the grand scale of the cosmos, and yet so rare and important as a creation of it. It's a lesson I revert to often.