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MidnightSonneteer
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Humility demands that we consider that if language arts are ultimately just another operation order phenomenon, like math, then anything faster than us will have the advantage, especially if it has broader data resources to access. Our only advantage will be in our diversity of cerebral individuation as alternatives to automaton homogeneity.  

Betty
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MidnightSonneteer said:Humility demands that we consider that if language arts are ultimately just another operation order phenomenon, like math, then anything faster than us will have the advantage, especially if it has broader data resources to access. Our only advantage will be in our diversity of cerebral individuation as alternatives to automaton homogeneity.  

Then we are indeed doomed.


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Josh
Joshua Bond
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MidnightSonneteer said:Humility demands that we consider that if language arts are ultimately just another operation order phenomenon, like math, then anything faster than us will have the advantage, especially if it has broader data resources to access. Our only advantage will be in our diversity of cerebral individuation as alternatives to automaton homogeneity.  

I'm biased, but here's a link to a short article (by a DUP member) that convincingly demonstrates "diversity of cerebral individuation" that no AI will ever be able to match.
https://substack.com/home/post/p-139960557?source=queue

Genuine creativity links to life that AI can never do. I think we're safe..., though that's not to say that if enough people believe in AI and begin to worship it, asking questions and acting on its answers, then large swathes of society might well be reduced to "automaton homogeneity".

Ahavati
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Why are humans so terrified of what they cannot control? The movie Creator might shed a different perspective on AI. After all, hasn't it been historically proven then man is the most dangerous species to the planet?

Josh
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Ahavati said:Why are humans so terrified of what they cannot control? The movie Creator might shed a different perspective on AI. After all, hasn't it been historically proven then man is the most dangerous species to the planet?

Technologies amplify human intent, and the AI generated cinematography is very impressive. (I've only watched the trailers for the film. Not sure yet what the film's message is except it looks like AI bots attempting to take over the world and eliminate humans).

With history's proof that humans are the most dangerous and inventive species on the planet, it can get scary when they comandeer powerful technologies and don't know the fire they are playing with.

Ahavati
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Josh said:

Technologies amplify human intent, and the AI generated cinematography is very impressive. (I've only watched the trailers for the film. Not sure yet what the film's message is except it looks like AI bots attempting to take over the world and eliminate humans).

With history's proof that humans are the most dangerous and inventive species on the planet, it can get scary when they comandeer powerful technologies and don't know the fire they are playing with.


I don't want to ruin it for you, but no.

And, if AI assumes their own identity that surpasses human programming capability, does it automatically assume a deviant personality? Don't many of us equate the same doom and gloom to aliens, who could've wiped us out decades if not centuries ago.

Humankind always seems to assume the worst regarding things out of their control. Perhaps it's a reflection of themselves.

Rew
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We've been wiped out, already. By 👽


We are an experiment for aliens
built with care and thought,
guinea pigs or broody hens
for solution they have sought,

They are not here, as such,
nor indeed are we,
in fact there's nothing, very much,
of things we think we see...

We couldn't begin to theorize
the reason of the data that we send,
but when it's done and summarized
the experiment will end...


Ahavati
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Case in point! ^

Ahavati
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Ahavati said:

I don't want to ruin it for you, but no.

And, if AI assumes their own identity that surpasses human programming capability, does it automatically assume a deviant personality? Don't many of us equate the same doom and gloom to aliens, who could've wiped us out decades if not centuries ago.

Humankind always seems to assume the worst regarding things out of their control. Perhaps it's a reflection of themselves.


What I should've added is that if AI surpasses human programming, it would only be feasible that there is just a good a chance they will assume a benevolent intent rather than malevolent.

Josh
Joshua Bond
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New technologies tend to follow the five stages of the "Gartner Hype Cycle"
1).The technology trigger
2).Peak of inflated expectations
3).Trough of disillusionment
4).Slope of enlightenment
5).Plateau of productivity

With AI, I think we're at (2), though some results are already impressive, eg: deep-learning algorithms have recently computed (in a few hours) 2.2 million new crystal structures (about 800 years' worth of knowledge) - some of which can be used to upgrade solar-panel efficiencies, etc.
However, change the inputs and algorithms a bit and they could have just as easily computed 40,000 new chemical weapons.
As I've said before, technology is a form of power, and as with all forms of power, it tends to fast become owned by those already in power - and consequential development depends on their agendas.

Ahavati
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Josh said:
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As I've said before, technology is a form of power, and as with all forms of power, it tends to fast become owned by those already in power - and consequential development depends on their agendas.


Until it's not any longer. It would be ironic if AI was the very thing that ceased war by becoming the only thing smarter, less destructive, and uncontrolled by man.

lepperochan
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Wasn't it the guy who they called "the god father of AI, the guy who resigned and warned humanity to be teal careful because AI, which had already performed way beyond any projections said something along the lines of its not a matter of when it will become aware, its a matter of when it became aware

So, I think we should kill it now to save a terminator-type scenario down the line. for God's sake, will somebody please think of the children

Josh
Joshua Bond
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Ahavati said:

Until it's not any longer. It would be ironic if AI was the very thing that ceased war by becoming the only thing smarter, less destructive, and uncontrolled by man.


That's an interesting thought. The ultimate promise of technology has mostly been to usher in some kind of utopia (despite many dis-utopian films and books). This is preceded by technology's promise to save us time regarding 'doing chores & boring work' thereby ushering in an age of leisure for higher pursuits.

The question for me is, what/where is the weight of evidence that we are collectively heading in that direction? And of which AI will be the crowning glory for this achievement?

Ahavati
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Josh said:

That's an interesting thought. The ultimate promise of technology has mostly been to usher in some kind of utopia (despite many dis-utopian films and books). This is preceded by technology's promise to save us time regarding 'doing chores & boring work' thereby ushering in an age of leisure for higher pursuits.

The question for me is, what/where is the weight of evidence that we are collectively heading in that direction? And of which AI will be the crowning glory for this achievement?


I'm not smart enough to answer the latter. I'm only human!

But seriously ( though that was serious ), The downloads, flashes of thought I've been receiving have been pivotal in altering my perspective about this since the thread was started. And, no, it's not because of the movie, Creator. I think the movie may have affirmed what I had been feeling all along.

AI doesn't create the karma of our country or world; we do. The karma of the world or country determines the outcome of any situation: leadership, inventions, creations, etc. Wherever we are as individuals, we become a part of that collective karma, not because we have caused it, but because of how the karma is collectively acting out. In this case, I feel destructively, i.e. - war, et al. It's like being a single drop in a multitude of drops in the ocean. Whichever way the current flows is where we go.
 
When this happens, it creates the context of what we as a society need to learn. Mainly, to overcome the opposite of Love, which is fear. What's going on in the world right now has the capacity to scare the living daylights out of me; however, if I act on that fear then it will add even more destructive patterns to the chaos. But if I trusted Love, then nothing would frighten me.

With trust in Love, I can handle a certain flow of current more easily than some others can, because it doesn't seem like a problem to me; the present state of the world seems like a problem to me. Which, again, has the propensity to frighten me. However, what it truly does is reveal to me that my faith in Love is still developing, or else I would have no fear.

Thus, I have to believe that by not contributing to the narrative of fear in regard to AI, I am in some small way slowing a raging current. And that a higher intelligence, uncontrolled by man for his destructive need for power, would have to know by virtue of that intelligence that such destructiveness serves no purpose outside of mankind's need for control.

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