Plagiarists (once proven): Should we ban them?

72.00% • 18 votes • Yes
28.00% • 7 votes • Yes, but only after they’ve been given a second chane
0% • 0 votes • No
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Plagiarists (once proven): Should we ban them?

MadameLavender
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Billy_Snagg said:You have explained the protocol quite clearly, Madame Lavender, even though it sounds a bit complicated regarding someone's length of service coming into play on the plagiarism front. In Mr.Sawyer's case, he has already served a 1 week ban, said sorry to anyone he has offended & it appears offending poems have been removed because he was on 65, now 57, so there have been deletions. Then I see he has received a 2nd 7 day ban. What I'm saying is, why was he banned again when he has corrected his error? To me he has gone beyond what he needed to say in order to pacify us.

Because the error was not fully corrected by him-- the mods had to remove some of the poems as well, then the apology included a statement about occasionaly using song lyrics without giving credit, and stating that there was no plagiarism of anything from other websites.  Clearly not the case, because any poems that I had to take down, I referenced the reason with a link to where it originally was posted online by the true author.    So overall, there was a deflection of ownership of the occurrences, and this latest round of plagiarisms was the second chance -- the same thing happened back in May.

lepperochan
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Billy_Snagg said:You have explained the protocol quite clearly, Madame Lavender, even though it sounds a bit complicated regarding someone's length of service coming into play on the plagiarism front. In Mr.Sawyer's case, he has already served a 1 week ban, said sorry to anyone he has offended & it appears offending poems have been removed because he was on 65, now 57, so there have been deletions. Then I see he has received a 2nd 7 day ban. What I'm saying is, why was he banned again when he has corrected his error? To me he has gone beyond what he needed to say in order to pacify us.



Not about pacifying anyone. chap plagerised,  got caught, got given a chance, done it again??!! got caught. got suspended. Its as simple as that


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he didn't correct t his error  a mod had to combe through his stuff and find them. took a fair amount of time I would imagine

so any opology is hollow as fuck

Wafflenose
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It wasn't a few bits here and there. It amounted to hundreds of incidents and I reported a fair few. I wasn't going to name names, but if my honesty makes me unpopular, that's fine. I don't like being lied to.

Wafflenose
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By the way, what happens when somebody is serving a ban? I know they can't post new material. Can they read and participate in the forums (fora?)? Read and send messages?

MadameLavender
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Wafflenose said:By the way, what happens when somebody is serving a ban? I know they can't post new material. Can they read and participate in the forums (fora?)? Read and send messages?

Depends on which functions are banned-- all function can be banned  or individual functions or combinations of , can be disabled .  They can always read forums and poems, they just can't post, if those two abilities are banned.  

Strangeways_Rob
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We live in a dot.com.sitcom these days, so actors are just part of the daily furniture. Have you ever wondered how poets engaged and had a voice in pre-internet days? At least in real world, we get to choose who we mix with.

This whole plagiarist affair is dismal & depressing. All poetry sites have pertinent rules and to be fair, this site is rather lenient. What would stop anyone merely copying & pasting their entire portfolio from the web. What's the point??

Summerrain75
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Is using poetry form used by another writer considered plagiarism when it is a widely used form like Etheree?

Wafflenose
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I think using established forms is fine.

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Wafflenose said:I think using established forms is fine. Yes that's what I understand. But I was once accused here of plagiarism for using Etheree form which is an established form. But it is not included in the poetry form in this site that may have caused the accuser to not know that there is a certain poetry form called Etheree.  

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This is what I'm hoping. I will be staying, and carrying on as normal. This is a great place to collect my works together and read those by other writers. I've made some good friends.


Just ONE WEEK banned? THAT'S A TRAVESTY!

crimsin
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I've been plagiarized many times from this site
people come here and collect our poems
claiming they are theirs elsewhere
but we have proof our poems are copyrighted to us here...

as for banning them I don't really see the point
this is the internet really I just get over it...

Abracadabra
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Passion & the Plago

And what if none of my poetry
was mine...
How would that feel?

Would I be angered
because I wasn't the first
to write down someone else's
combination of words
which in the reading
I'd so admired?

Would I be jealous,
frantically justifying sin
to impress a lover
by dishonest pretence?

Would I lie awake nights
wondering if the real author
might one day discover
I was a fraud
haunted by a terrifying secret?

Would I become ill
disfigured by guilt
hating my face in the mirror
for as long as I lived?

No, no, no & no,
if I were a plago
I'd probably just laugh--
but then all I'd know
was how to read
Written by Abracadabra
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Passion and the Plago (2011)

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