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how do you 'free the poem'?

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this is about your way of accessing the poetry that's inside

(yes, there's poetry to be harvested & woven from our environment, external stimuli, but even those i'd suggest require some connection to something inside us—you may have a different view which i'd like to hear):

do you find you tend to burrow down, under the skin, work your way through layers in order to reach what's bubbling/troubling you?

is it more often your way to wait... allow the percolation and formation to happen as a more spontaneous event, that—when ready—rises to the surface where you ink it hot off the press?

if you find you do it both ways, does one way place more emotional stress on you? is that the blood, sweat and tears of writing? are certain types of poems reached easier one way than the other?

if you're a 'wait for it to emerge' writer, do you often find an idea bubbles up many months/years later than its original inspiration? does that ever bother you, the wait?



this thread is open to any discussions relating to the process/es at an adult level of conversation. thankyou

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If you have to burrow too deep, or the fact that you have to try at all..should be sign that you are not ready emotionally to 'free' the poem.
In my own experience, whenever i've tried prematurarely it has never come out naturally but having to let go, sometimes close to 4 years, that same idea or the emotion have come out brilliantly to the  point that i've looked back and wondered how in the hell did i write something as wonderful as that.

Somtimes the idea is there but the right words do not mesh up together all that well.
Other times, the words or lines come up but i have no idea how to pull them together to make it cohesive.
Again, i stop and let it go till i'm there emotionally.

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hi, layla

yeah, pretty much echoes my own thinking—but i know there are some writers who think tunnelling down, using sharp instruments or explosives, worth the results. much as poetry is an integral part of me, it's never really benefitted (or me!) from me going that route.

the writing from these tunnellers can be dramatic, gut-wrenching, and brilliant; since i mostly write the other way, i admire their fortitude, i do, but for me as a writer it's just too much hard work for not enough reward.

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I'm on the same boat as you Ms Butter, i admire those that sneeze and a poem or two pops out and I wonder wow, how in the hell do they have so much to say...all...the ..damn...time!!!  
but kudos to them.  If it makes them feel something, or some kind of therapy in accomplishing so much then that's great.
But i've had discussions with some who believe certain substance usage or forcing themselves to not fall asleep for extended hours can result in great poetry.  I myself have never entertianed that idea since I personally do not take my hobby of writing all that seriously.  Although, on occasion i have indulged in half a bottle of wine listening to mozart and pretty decent stuff came out of those late night session.

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some people are convinced weed or alcohol helps release the writing/painting... i'm sure it helps open neural pathways in some cases, depresses obstacles to thought/emotion in others; but then too often i hear about the writer/musician/artist who finds they're unable to write (whatever) without that chemically-induced alteration to how their minds work, and when they run dry, they're dry and the drugs don't work the way they did for them. perhaps, as in everything, balance is the key.

i used to be concerned if i'd not written anything for a few days, but over the years know my own writing ebbs and flows but has always returned; i don't fret when there's nothing coming to the surface, simply get on with absorbing life experiences, reading and talking about writing, watching movies, having fun... when i'm not pursuing my muse, it tends to come up and tap me on the shoulder. she definitely doesn't like being ignored :cool:

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Try fifty hits of four way Clearlight when I was twenty...

Two hundred hits of pure LSD in 1975...

The real stuff...

Or fifty peyote button tea...

Or a few ounces of psilocybin at one time...

Or smoking 3 and a half grams of temple ball hash in a night...

Or sitting here imbibing four bottles of nine percent stout...

I am 65...I have done my time , and written some great poetry and stories ,
drawn some incredible art , carved antler and bone...and more

And my muse does not tap me on the shoulder...she , and the spirits I work
with , do not mess around...they grab on and rattle my bones for fun...

Then they work me around , until I am ready to write what they want me to say...

And some hard core rock , or other music , doth so assist in the process !

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I write poetry for years.. and years.
How much poems did I wrote?
I couldn’t say? One a day for 25 years... I’ve lost the count
But my own and only rule is ... if the words are on the paper after 10 minutes max.. it’s okay.
If I start writing my initial idea and I block... I stop immediately and forget that one.
In the past I wrote in a more classic style.
Counting and measuring to have that “clean” poem.
But after reading the free poetry, the pure poetry like they call it, I decided to stop counting and measuring my words.
That day a new world opened his doors, a free world of dancing words.
But this is only my own perception.

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Free the poem? Pay its bail money. I hear they take credit cards, baked pies and travellers cheques.

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I think it begins with freeing yourself from any expectation.

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The poem is an idea, which I then transform into words and release into the wild.

That's about all there is to it for me.

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JohnnyBlaze said:The poem is an idea, which I then transform into words and release into the wild.

That's about all there is to it for me.
but *whines* "how", J, how?

do you go in for it or wait for it to come out? some people are unadulterated diggers and tunnelers... others, they wait till an idea hatches, catch it and use it. do you go hunting ideas internally?  i'm not talking about the ideas we grab from the diaphanous air around us; this is about the inside stuff.

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Ahavati said:I think it begins with freeing yourself from any expectation. and after that? are you an equal-ops tunneler/catcher? if you go in deep, is it a more taxing experience?

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24601 said:Free the poem? Pay its bail money. I hear they take credit cards, baked pies and travellers cheques. the pies are gone. i ate 'em

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Didi3d said:I write poetry for years.. and years.
How much poems did I wrote?
I couldn’t say? One a day for 25 years... I’ve lost the count
But my own and only rule is ... if the words are on the paper after 10 minutes max.. it’s okay.
If I start writing my initial idea and I block... I stop immediately and forget that one.
In the past I wrote in a more classic style.
Counting and measuring to have that “clean” poem.
But after reading the free poetry, the pure poetry like they call it, I decided to stop counting and measuring my words.
That day a new world opened his doors, a free world of dancing words.
But this is only my own perception.
hiya, Didi

sounds like you're a bit of a tunneler, then, going in every day looking for a poem... unless they come from inspiration outside. even with the initial idea being 'outside', do you consciously delve into your deep id to find that link that makes it count more to you?

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Blackwolf said:Try fifty hits of four way Clearlight when I was twenty...

Two hundred hits of pure LSD in 1975...

The real stuff...

Or fifty peyote button tea...

Or a few ounces of psilocybin at one time...

Or smoking 3 and a half grams of temple ball hash in a night...

Or sitting here imbibing four bottles of nine percent stout...

I am 65...I have done my time , and written some great poetry and stories ,
drawn some incredible art , carved antler and bone...and more

And my muse does not tap me on the shoulder...she , and the spirits I work
with , do not mess around...they grab on and rattle my bones for fun...

Then they work me around , until I am ready to write what they want me to say...

And some hard core rock , or other music , doth so assist in the process !
that sounds pretty much like you're a catcher, or maybe purely a facilitator of stuff coming up and out onto page.

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