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Can anyone really be a poet?

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butters said:

that phrase: it connects. why? because most people have had fathers and a vastly different range of experiences/emotions that go with that. those who've had good, loving fathers cannot help but hurt for the boy who feels unloved; those who feel the same about their fathers will connect through the vehicle of shared pain; fathers who've loved their child well will feel their heartstrings pulled for the child who feels unloved; the father with the estranged child (for whatever reason) may feel th pain of the child as well as their own for the emotional distance between them and their own.... and so on and so forth


it. connects.
it's raw.
it bleeds.


and those without a poetic bone in their bodies might think 'self-centred twat should get up off his arse and do something useful'

subjectivity :D



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somewhere on my phone i've a link to sound-studies that another write sent me years ago. it elaborates on how sound - specific repetitions/patterns etc - can induce (in both writer and reader) a more receptive state of mind, almost akin to hypnotism. it makes for really fascinating reading. if i can find it, i'll post it in case anyone wants to read it.

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butters said:somewhere on my phone i've a link to sound-studies that another write sent me years ago. it elaborates on how sound - specific repetitions/patterns etc - can induce (in both writer and reader) a more receptive state of mind, almost akin to hypnotism. it makes for really fascinating reading. if i can find it, i'll post it in case anyone wants to read it.

Mos def.

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and this is a fab quote from psychology spot (here... https://psychology-spot.com/heres-what-happens-in-your-brain-when/ ) :

"Poetry has the ability to send powerful emotional messages and activate reflection, though it is true that the greatest pleasure of reading a poem, as when we enjoy a work of art, does not come from profound reflection, but from the sensations we experience. In fact, Vladimir Nabokov said that one should not read with the heart or the brain, but with the body."

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Ahavati said:

Mos def.
it goes into how you tune out from everything around you (as a writer) and opens parts of your mind to more easily access that which would normally not be available consciously; as a reader, the patterns induce that same openness, connecting you more deeply and cognitively with the poem's intent. something like that. basically, opens our receptors, free of charge and ingestion :D

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butters said:it goes into how you tune out from everything around you (as a writer) and opens parts of your mind to more easily access that which would normally not be available consciously; as a reader, the patterns induce that same openness, connecting you more deeply and cognitively with the poem's intent. something like that. basically, opens our receptors, free of charge and ingestion :D

It's called channeling, and I do my best writing that way. It's as though poetry has its own frequency and once you tap into that vibration it flows.  Not to say my other writing isn't good - but there's something about channeled writing that seems so much more spiritually in depth - as though the poet really had no part of it.

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Yeah. Look at all the people trying to be like Emily Dickson in this thread - poetry without a title.

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butters said:and this is a fab quote from psychology spot (here... https://psychology-spot.com/heres-what-happens-in-your-brain-when/ ) :

"Poetry has the ability to send powerful emotional messages and activate reflection, though it is true that the greatest pleasure of reading a poem, as when we enjoy a work of art, does not come from profound reflection, but from the sensations we experience. In fact, Vladimir Nabokov said that one should not read with the heart or the brain, but with the body."



I think Nabakov's comment about reading with the body is in alignment with the famous Emily Dickinson quote that poetry should produce a visceral (body) reaction:
""If I read a book [and] it makes my whole body so cold no fire ever can warm me I know that is poetry. If I feel physically as if the top of my head were taken off, I know that is poetry. These are the only way I know it.  Is there any other way".

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What is ''any old scrawl''? there are works of varying quality - this is the reality. How we then designate it is moot.

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In that case the best poetry I saw was the cask of amontillado

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Josh said:


I think Nabakov's comment about reading with the body is in alignment with the famous Emily Dickinson quote that poetry should produce a visceral (body) reaction:
""If I read a book [and] it makes my whole body so cold no fire ever can warm me I know that is poetry. If I feel physically as if the top of my head were taken off, I know that is poetry. These are the only way I know it.  Is there any other way".


I loved her. she had such insight.

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greyblueyellow said:In that case the best poetry I saw was the cask of amontillado


"When you write in prose, you cook the rice. When you write poetry, you turn rice into rice wine.
Cooked rice doesn't change its shape, but rice wine changes both in quality and shape.
Cooked rice makes one full so one can live out one's life span . . .
wine, on the other hand, makes one drunk, makes the sad happy, and the happy sad.
Its effect is sublimely beyond explanation."

-                                             ----- Wu Qiao

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Josh said:


I think Nabakov's comment about reading with the body is in alignment with the famous Emily Dickinson quote that poetry should produce a visceral (body) reaction:
""If I read a book [and] it makes my whole body so cold no fire ever can warm me I know that is poetry. If I feel physically as if the top of my head were taken off, I know that is poetry. These are the only way I know it.  Is there any other way".
there's nothing i enjoy more than reading someone whose words leave me feeling changed

there are studies about the physical effect on the body by music, how it affects brain and body and those changes are most often relfected in goosebumps! i've heard people sing and come out in goosebumps and the hairs on my neck standing to attention. those same studies are being linked now to how poetry alters the way our brains and bodies react. most of us will never write the sort of material to give anyone goosebumps, but the studies are very cool :D

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greyblueyellow said:What is ''any old scrawl''? there are works of varying quality - this is the reality. How we then designate it is moot.
any old scrawl?

that, i suppose, will always be in the eye of the beholder.

tell me, though, if you will - a novice banging out notes on a piano, in tortured disinterest because they are made to, or a person who'd rather die than cook slinging a tv dinner into the microwave and putting it on a plate... do those renditions of sound or food qualify as 'music' and 'cookery'?

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