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Grace said:
Interesting idea, DaisyGrace. How do you do that? The trigger, I meant?
in the title line of the poem you could just put trigger. so if the title is Green Rain, when you type in the title just put Green Rain (trigger: suicide) that way when it pops up in people's feed, or anywhere else, people see that it is a poem that contains suicide, or whatever the trigger is.)
that leaves it up to the author to tag the poem as containing a triggering subject. and of course not all poets will do it, but for those that want to it's an option.
Interesting idea, DaisyGrace. How do you do that? The trigger, I meant?
in the title line of the poem you could just put trigger. so if the title is Green Rain, when you type in the title just put Green Rain (trigger: suicide) that way when it pops up in people's feed, or anywhere else, people see that it is a poem that contains suicide, or whatever the trigger is.)
that leaves it up to the author to tag the poem as containing a triggering subject. and of course not all poets will do it, but for those that want to it's an option.
DaisyGrace said:
in the title line of the poem you could just put trigger. so if the title is Green Rain, when you type in the title just put Green Rain (trigger: suicide) that way when it pops up in people's feed, or anywhere else, people see that it is a poem that contains suicide, or whatever the trigger is.)
that leaves it up to the author to tag the poem as containing a triggering subject. and of course not all poets will do it, but for those that want to it's an option.
I see what you mean.That could work. You got something there.
in the title line of the poem you could just put trigger. so if the title is Green Rain, when you type in the title just put Green Rain (trigger: suicide) that way when it pops up in people's feed, or anywhere else, people see that it is a poem that contains suicide, or whatever the trigger is.)
that leaves it up to the author to tag the poem as containing a triggering subject. and of course not all poets will do it, but for those that want to it's an option.
I see what you mean.That could work. You got something there.
A 'trigger' setting is not a valid warrant for the 'extreme content' tag, as not everyone will react the same way or be triggered. It also leads down the very stupid path of ultra-preventive cautiousness: where everything is flagged as it could possibly cause something. The causality of a pornographic or erotic poem is more direct and evidential than a poem about a car crash or suicide. With the former they are likely to elicit lust and the search for more pornography, thanks to the limitlessness of the internet, whereas the latter is unlikely to cause its topic. Granted, a suicidal poem can lead to suicidal tendencies in a suicidal audience, but by and large that is the last straw that breaks the camel's back, it is not the direct cause. A car crash poem could conceivably cause a car crash, especially if a driver is reading the poem, but the causal effect is less direct than other themes.
The 'extreme content' is a way to roughly censor media/words/poems that are extreme, not average or 'normal'. However due to different temperaments the classification is far from being watertight: one person's extreme content can be another person's average. As such there has to be a sense of checks and balances for when the 'extreme content' tag is used, which will override the choice or classification of the individual poet in order to maintain the overall 'greater good' distinction between extreme and not extreme.
However should a member challenge the change or removal or addition, they can logically argue why. Not just scream and shout and stamp their feet until their preference is manifested. In this case though, the poem was not overtly describing a car crash or a suicide. 'Left in my car' was it? (This 'controversy' should more than adequately boost reads.)
The actions of Mods are far from arbitrary, as the role requires arbitration: the decisions and actions that disfavour some are the same that support, protect and favour others. The very same actions are taken that can fall in a member's favour or fall against them.
The 'extreme content' is a way to roughly censor media/words/poems that are extreme, not average or 'normal'. However due to different temperaments the classification is far from being watertight: one person's extreme content can be another person's average. As such there has to be a sense of checks and balances for when the 'extreme content' tag is used, which will override the choice or classification of the individual poet in order to maintain the overall 'greater good' distinction between extreme and not extreme.
However should a member challenge the change or removal or addition, they can logically argue why. Not just scream and shout and stamp their feet until their preference is manifested. In this case though, the poem was not overtly describing a car crash or a suicide. 'Left in my car' was it? (This 'controversy' should more than adequately boost reads.)
The actions of Mods are far from arbitrary, as the role requires arbitration: the decisions and actions that disfavour some are the same that support, protect and favour others. The very same actions are taken that can fall in a member's favour or fall against them.
Here's a thought.
Add an Extreme Content category for poets who assume their work will bother other people.
All the blatantly graphic sex poetry would go to Extreme Content.
This would allow the actual erotic poetry that isn't blatantly graphic to stay in Erotic Poetry.
Anyone who submits to EC is simply forewarned that they may receive less readers.
Add an Extreme Content category for poets who assume their work will bother other people.
All the blatantly graphic sex poetry would go to Extreme Content.
This would allow the actual erotic poetry that isn't blatantly graphic to stay in Erotic Poetry.
Anyone who submits to EC is simply forewarned that they may receive less readers.
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"Triggers" are varied and many commercials exploit them in todays society, knowing them is exhausting research, but ask folks in marketing they know all about it.
Thank You Grace and Viddax for discussing the concerns and worries of Iron Fears and other members like the valued members they are.
Talking down to folks is rarely a position that breeds trust, friendship or care.
I've seen members exploit the extreme content label (without there being extreme words) many times throughout the yrs....Many that Write "political" have used it to garner attention...simply to have readers become interested in what otherwise would be passed on by.
This is not unlike the music biz when the PMRC required labels of warning to artists.
After the dust settled, many Artists would make it a point to affix this label to their work,; knowing it would spike their sales at least a little.
In my mind that's just simple creative use to a restriction and using it to ones benefit (Artistic License)
As for Iron's fears....when someone has been touched or come in contact with lifes darker points, You become more sensitive to "triggers" that cause them...You notice the subtle where others would simply pay it no mind...to deem it "wrong" is subjective and as blindly biased as the one proclaiming it.
I've never liked labels, I may write a "love" story and place it in "observational " ....does that mean I'm wrong for doing it?
Will it be deemed an unfit interpretation and be moved by someone who thinks it different?
The world wants labels as precautions and to "better" understand...This is fine, I see why some are needed as safeguards; yet interpretation of a piece of "Art" differs to who is looking and who created it...we may come close to understanding the creators thought....or we may be quite off the mark...Interpretation is self-contained and only changes by discussions.
Thank You Grace and Viddax for discussing the concerns and worries of Iron Fears and other members like the valued members they are.
Talking down to folks is rarely a position that breeds trust, friendship or care.
I've seen members exploit the extreme content label (without there being extreme words) many times throughout the yrs....Many that Write "political" have used it to garner attention...simply to have readers become interested in what otherwise would be passed on by.
This is not unlike the music biz when the PMRC required labels of warning to artists.
After the dust settled, many Artists would make it a point to affix this label to their work,; knowing it would spike their sales at least a little.
In my mind that's just simple creative use to a restriction and using it to ones benefit (Artistic License)
As for Iron's fears....when someone has been touched or come in contact with lifes darker points, You become more sensitive to "triggers" that cause them...You notice the subtle where others would simply pay it no mind...to deem it "wrong" is subjective and as blindly biased as the one proclaiming it.
I've never liked labels, I may write a "love" story and place it in "observational " ....does that mean I'm wrong for doing it?
Will it be deemed an unfit interpretation and be moved by someone who thinks it different?
The world wants labels as precautions and to "better" understand...This is fine, I see why some are needed as safeguards; yet interpretation of a piece of "Art" differs to who is looking and who created it...we may come close to understanding the creators thought....or we may be quite off the mark...Interpretation is self-contained and only changes by discussions.
this feels like a censorship type discussion. I have not experienced being flagged or de-flagged, as far as I know. But then how would I know? I think mods taking this action should at least message the poet concerned - I have no issue with mods having the power to do this. I can't see the problem?
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All your extreme content are belong to us!*
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Ahavati said:All your extreme content are belong to us!*
http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah16/Ahavati1/giphy%201_zpsk0cwwl2z.gif
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You should post this in that other thread about how all the artists here are being exploited.
http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah16/Ahavati1/giphy%201_zpsk0cwwl2z.gif
*Disclaimer: Joke
You should post this in that other thread about how all the artists here are being exploited.
