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RevolutionAL said:



I think she's just had it, with me and my inability to type her name.

I'm useless at it.

So lets agree I was referring to "Varti"



okay! xD

I would like to clarify something though. You're not proposing that the author of a poem should be the only person who can report comments made on it..are you? because shouldn't people still have the right to report replies made to their comments
(..if that makes sense )

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Umm said:

okay! xD

I would like to clarify something though. You're not proposing that the author of a poem should be the only person who can report comments made on it..are you? because shouldn't people still have the right to report replies made to their comments
(..if that makes sense )


I hear you.

So what I'm saying:

You write a poem, Jack comments that he likes your poem. I don't feel I have the right to report Jack's comment. I feel you do, your poem / your page. But who am I to make a unnecessary fuss?

But...


Here is a forum thread, started by "Varti" you and I are conversing. Along comes a spammer popping porn posts. We report it, obviously.

Does that make sense?

Your poem page = your baby.
Public forum = our baby.

Sensible?




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the snail with a broken leg, a fall from an obelisk.

the rainboa in the vinegar stratosphere of deep-underground poetry;

if you want to know somebody, live with them;
 
if you want to know their psychology, read their words.

((((((my heart pumps custard))))))) a poem


hyper, chilling on the veranda, LSD the mentor sublime,

smoking dark energy, drinking bad-manners,

the LSD is engaged, there is a pure seriousness of a kind,

from the veranda came the pulsing percussive voice, on caffeinated napalm.

that mixture of dark energy, bad-manners, LSD,

gave the voice, a philistine squall into the darkness, devoid of earthly dimensions.

the body becomes wild mercury sitting on the reset button of a badly tuned axe,

drug-affirming, hammer-hardened fingers at an incline, the bow strikes the Cello,

the notes, a bottomless pit, flying z upside down, to settle

the schizoid morning from going into a 24/7 cycle;

and yet this Renaissance yelping into obscurity has a mad genius about it.

the showroom fruit stepped up to the microphone,  

lunacy again grabbed the axe and began to play, with showroom

fruit at the microphone standing, from her voice, came the greasy distortion

of her eating a b-halibut, and fresh-water mollusc’s, planets orbiting he head, her shoe's ablaze, the

dead turnips with birthday pass, filing into the backyard began to sit down,

swords began to quarrel with themselves,

with one cranking stroke of the bow, came the blowtorch boom, archaic music,

from within the axe, the showroom fruit sang with an Avant-grade hook,

then the feedback, all went through the dead turnips sitting,

slicing the agriculture part of their heads off,

looking like b-monster's, and skewered on the swords, but all resonating

with her deep lunged voice; the snobography of the music began

to lift the roof off the night letting the light, lame in,

"fuck man what century is it?".

(((((this is the poem I've been trying to put up, they all go to some dark corner of deep-underground poetry;))))))

I asked for help to get it out there, but all fell on death tears after I crit their work!

if you want to read a poem read Mable Forrest ((moonrise)))

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I'm kinda glad you and I finally get to engage a little.

Can I ask you, is there a particular reason you can't just post your poem on your profile under "submit a poem"?

Just curious, you'd understand.


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this is not a poetry site, deep-underground-poetry is a site its a dating site,

its made up of people who have a psychological problem or looking for a pick-up,

it has become a utopia, for there are the disaffected poets among poets,

nobody is able to crit, because they're frightened of being rubbished,

so the board is full of pseudo-poets because of the words" l like," love your poem",

"you're a genius," brilliant" "intellectual " and so with these words, people are drawn into a false sense of security,

thinking their poems are brilliant, when in fact it is pure dribble,

when you read some of the erotic work, you know you're reading the works by a psychopath;

using this site to fledge their writings and thoughts,

having said that there are some brilliant posts on this site, poets that could publish there work,

rachelleundrgrd, nico1116, Kasai, libresoul96, thewatche33, allyzone,

but there is more, there are the stand-out, so far, I get a lot of pleasure reading

their poems.  



 





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RevolutionAL said:

I hear you.

So what I'm saying:

You write a poem, Jack comments that he likes your poem. I don't feel I have the right to report Jack's comment. I feel you do, your poem / your page. But who am I to make a unnecessary fuss?

But...


Here is a forum thread, started by "Varti" you and I are conversing. Along comes a spammer popping porn posts. We report it, obviously.

Does that make sense?

Your poem page = your baby.
Public forum = our baby.

Sensible?





yes. I think so

..and I agree, it's proper etiquette to let the author decide if an ambiguous comment should be reported, (..but, in situations where the comment clearly violates DU's guidelines, I don't feel like it really matters who reports it.)


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slowfires5 said:

Fair enough evaluation.

Glad you feel at home.

If I may say...

It would be cool to post your poem, above on your poems profile.


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slowfires5 said:
(((((this is the poem I've been trying to put up, they all go to some dark corner of deep-underground poetry;))))))

I asked for help to get it out there, but all fell on death tears after I crit their work!


if you want to read a poem read Mable Forrest ((moonrise)))


slowfires5 said:this is not a poetry site, deep-underground-poetry is a site its a dating site,

its made up of people who have a psychological problem or looking for a pick-up,

it has become a utopia, for there are the disaffected poets among poets,

nobody is able to crit, because they're frightened of being rubbished,

so the board is full of pseudo-poets because of the words" l like," love your poem",

"you're a genius," brilliant" "intellectual " and so with these words, people are drawn into a false sense of security,

thinking their poems are brilliant, when in fact it is pure dribble,

when you read some of the erotic work, you know you're reading the works by a psychopath;

using this site to fledge their writings and thoughts,

having said that there are some brilliant posts on this site, poets that could publish there work,

rachelleundrgrd, nico1116, Kasai, libresoul96, thewatche33, allyzone,

but there is more, there are the stand-out, so far, I get a lot of pleasure reading

their poems.  



 






DUP has the Honestly Crafted Critique Group now largely in response to the lack of critiques occurring on personal poem pages.  Ahavati and I are doing our best to encourage others to improve their own writing by accepting critiques on their own poems and performing critiques on the poems of others.

As for performing critiques on personal poetry pages of others in order to draw attention to your inability to have your own poems posted here for whatever reason - that's just a waste of time. You need to have a discussion with the Moderators and or Webmiss to resolve your difficulties.

It's also a further waste of your time and the time of other authors because you aren't being genuine in why you are critiquing and it shows in the quality of your critiques.

If people want to use this site primarily to socialize, that's their choice and more power to them.



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RevolutionAL said:

I hear you.

So what I'm saying:

You write a poem, Jack comments that he likes your poem. I don't feel I have the right to report Jack's comment. I feel you do, your poem / your page. But who am I to make a unnecessary fuss?

But...


Here is a forum thread, started by "Varti" you and I are conversing. Along comes a spammer popping porn posts. We report it, obviously.

Does that make sense?

Your poem page = your baby.
Public forum = our baby.

Sensible?





Certainly, except that if you see Person A commenting on a poem by Person B, telling Person B that his or her poem is a cat turd best buried in golf course sand trap - by all means as Person C, report it.

Why?

B might never return to see that abusive comment, while D, E and F see it and think that it is acceptable behavior, doing likewise.

Meanwhile G, H and I don't bother registering and submitting any poems at DUP, because it is an awful place based on their discovery of hate filled trolling comments that no one bothered to report.

Report clearly abusive comments WHEREVER you discover them, REGARDLESS
of who is making them - long time members or newbies.


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I dunno Johnny...

See if you or other regular readers of my poetry said " Al your poem is a cat turd best buried in golf course sand trap." It would have a completely different meaning to a arbituary passer by who came to light a fire and build a boiling pressure cooker.

How would person C be aware of the relationship between the writer and reader. I have more than one reader who comment in humorous / wild ways.

So surely the poem comment space is the original author's call. Otherwise we could end up with every second ego choosing to be a comment policeman and things like Varti's comment happen.


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RevolutionAL said:I dunno Johnny...

See if you or other regular readers of my poetry said " Al your poem is a cat turd best buried in golf course sand trap." It would have a completely different meaning to a arbituary passer by who came to light a fire and build a boiling pressure cooker.

How would person C be aware of the relationship between the writer and reader. I have more than one reader who comment in humorous / wild ways.

So surely the poem comment space is the original author's call. Otherwise we could end up with every second ego choosing to be a comment policeman and things like Varti's comment happen.



Every situation is unique of course.

And I've survived the death of many poetry sites over 13 years because of bullies; I certainly won't tolerate their shit when I see it, which includes filing false reports against other members on the basis of "dislike".


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JohnnyBlaze said:

And I've survived the death of many poetry sites over 13 years because of bullies;


hmm?? o.O

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RevolutionAL said:The way I see it:

It's Avaharti's poem on Avahari's profile.
If she doesn't like a comment on her page, she is capable enough to click "report".

Don't feel she needs help with that.

Neither do I.

(I think it's a insult, of the highest order to assume a person capable of writing poetry. Is incapable to decide if a comment on their poem is acceptable or not.)



Thank you for actually reading and comprehending my opening post, Al. Couldn't agree more.

Ahavati said:1)  A critique posted on my latest poem was reported and  subsequently removed.  For the record,  I am not interested in who reported or removed it.  I had it restored by the Webmiss because I saw no violation of guidelines regarding its content.

Unless a response is derogatory, inflammatory, or an outright personal attack, should the thread starter be allowed to choose what gets reported?  


In regards to the second issue being perceived as counterproductive ( not directed toward you, Al ):

Ahavati said:
2) I have received several private messages regarding a certain member that disturbs me.  First, the member has violated no guidelines.  Secondly, personal feelings, vendettas, and mob mentality affect the site's healthy growth and member retention.  We've lost several good members because of this type of behavior.


newsflash ( for those with a reading comprehension deficit )! It's the messages, not the member that disturbs me.  

I'm actually defending the member, while recommending the following to the messengers.

Ahavati said: Instead of forming a posse to chase them from town,  why not see how it plays out?  See what you're supposed to learn from the situation - how you might grow.  

Accept that you can't get along with everyone; don't take it personally and get some space before speaking your truth in a non-defensive way.  The best teachers in life are those you don't click with.   And you'll keep meeting them and meeting them and meeting them until you learn to overcome.


And I will continue to call out what I feel is a mob/clique'ish-mentality toward someone they dislike, because they are the REAL reason for the counter-productivity of this site.

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Ahavati said:
newsflash ( for those with a reading comprehension deficit )! It's the messages, not the member that disturbs me.  



Oh, well, I think there has been some miscommunication then, as what you say in your first post is:

Ahavati said:
2) I have received several private messages regarding a certain member that disturbs me.  



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With all due respect, I wasn't the only one who misunderstood what you were saying

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2) I do not like or agree with any member disturbing any other member. I barely tolerate it in poems out of respect for freedom of speech and the art form, yet my personal dislike for the disturbing is secondary to the health/status of the website.


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