the concept of ownership- do you truly own anything?

I OWN YOU
show me the receipt

I won you!

so no need for a reciept!!

Hey Billy , Hey Cold Fusion !

Just got up , so this is before my "morning" Cappuccino ;

Yet here is a thought , and Billy , respect here , but I need

to mention this : your statement :

"mentally suppressed by a dominant other"

It is not just the suppression ; what is far

worse is mind control...

I had a ladyfriend / girlfriend / handfasted wife , who had been broken ,

at a very young age , abused terribly , and put through mind programming ,

by her grandfather and his lodge , ala  methods used by secret societies ,

the military , and Ewen Cameron , and MK Ultra , and the negative ones of

Order Illuminati ( there are those who "want you to know" , see my avatar )

using their Oz  and Rabbit Hole mind control programs ;

This is done far more than people realize...

I still do not know if I was messed with , in certain ways ,

because I have huge gaps in my memory from my young

childhood...and my father was high up in position , working

for the government , and worked for awhile at Montauk Point ,

and I am thus not sure if I was one of the Montauk Boys ;

I had a long struggle many years ago to reclaim my self , by

sheer will , and synchronicity , and had a number of breakdowns

and my own , and others who helped me do mental reconstructive

internal surgery , or "Re - Metaprogramming The Human Brain" ,

allowed me to be here today posting this ;

This handfasted wife was programmed with multiple personalities ,

trained to be a "Black Widow" , and kill , trained only to love those who

commanded her , owned her thoughts , because if she thought any

thing other than that , her brain would shut down , and another one of

her personalities would come out , and "repair" any damage done to her

"cover persona" ;

Now , this is the far extreme...yet subtle varieties of this go on each day ,

for all of us as mind control , programming , and orientation toward things

people in control of words , images , logos , memes , etc , want us to think ,

act , believe , and try to create the sheeple of the herd...

So , I can not agree we own even those things , ourselves , and love , as I

have seen , experienced , and now that I have "woken up" still see the many

and subtle ways we are mind controlled daily...sad to say , yet so true !

I believe that we are stewards of everything in this life and the more responsible we show ourselves to be with what we are given, the more that will be entrusted to us.

How do we explain Trump , then , Madame Lavender ?

...LOL...

You live in America like me...

I would love to believe that , and at the core , I believe there was some

intent in the workings of the universe for it to be that way , but someone

hijacked the universal computer , and wrote a new program...;)

Blackwolf said:How do we explain Trump , then , Madame Lavender ?

...LOL...

You live in America like me...

I would love to believe that , and at the core , I believe there was some

intent in the workings of the universe for it to be that way , but someone

hijacked the universal computer , and wrote a new program...;)

I'll give you my take on that, from my own personal beliefs and opinions, which coincide with belief in God, and I know that not everyone believes as I do, but I'm going to toss this out there anyway:

To explain Trump, as you query, I would call him a modern day King Cyrus.  According to the Bible, Cyrus was a pagan king, but attained a measure of grace because he was used by God to destroy the Babylonian Empire.  What we are seeing, is a modern day parallel of this--Trump may be a brash, bull in a china shop and not at all the picture of perfection in humanity's eye, but he still can be used as a means to an end by God, and I believe that's what's happening.  Cyrus drained the Babylonian swamp, and Trump is draining the Washington Swamp, and while we cannot speak for anyone other than ourselves as individuals, as far as measures of faith, or lack of, I believe that it is possible for anyone, even Cyrus and Trump, to become "saved" if you will, and end up having faith of their own, as a result of their roles in society.

No, even in our heavily capitalistic society it's difficult to proclaim that we truly own anything.  Our society maxes out credit cards, relies on loans for large items, and the concept of money it's self has become incredibly abstract and almost meaningless, relying on the idea of borrowing and promising.  And with the proliferation of bit coin, money is becoming even more complex and abstract.  Even in regard to purchasing decisions, that coffee mug you just bought, someone designed it, you're purchasing a legal copy of it, but you're not buying the thought that was put into its development.  The CG models were constructed by someone else, and the blue prints were designed by someone else as well.  Some people claim ownership to their ideas, but those same people borrowed ideas and concepts from somewhere else.  Inspiration doesn't spontaneously generate, and all ideas are compiled from a mountain of other ideas.  In regard to direct plagiarism, that's the only place where I think a line should be drawn.  

We stand on the shoulders of giants.

I can appreciate your choice of religion , and attendant  beliefs

however I would have to greatly disagree as far as the political

views expressed but of course I live in California...( northern )

Most of us know and feel , Trump is the swamp , bloated with

every type of sewage , bilge water , and mental and verbal feces

one could imagine...as well his cronies , and inner circle of his

supporters...

So let us agree to disagree , on that , and let the hound of the

Baskervilles lie ( multiple meanings , there )

As far as beliefs , I am more than a proud Pagan , and Witch ,

and rejected my Christian upbringing at thirteen...63 now...

So , going back to the question at hand...

Trump believes he owns everything , brags about his power ,

wealth , status , little hands ( Oh , no wait , he *claims* they

are not little ) lies , bullies , twists reality...what a perfect

example of someone who thinks he owns everything including

people's consciousness...nope , I sure don't buy that...

But what an example for the young...

I am proud to be by name related to a Wolf who had him

and his cabinet for dinner last night...;)

Lastly , I have always taught my students never to trust

what some call history , because books , especially the

religious ones are written by victors...so I would not trust

anything written about Cyrus , or any Pagan , by those who

took over...

Best to you , however , I shall retain my intelligence , awareness ,

and independence , until and unless I die while they try to drag me

to the mind control machine...

So , shall we get back to the original question ?

I guess since this has become a conversation about Trump, like all modern conversations in the United States have become.  I'll leave you with this.  Trump is the epitome of everything wrong in America, every stereotype we're accused of possessing.  He's a bumbling buffoon who runs his organization like Don Corleone, but without any of Don Corleone's intelligence.  He self incriminates himself around every turn, he's terrible at negotiating with our own ALLIES without utterly insulting foreign dignitaries or being manipulated through compliments.  He has the attention span of a rodent, and believes that exercise reduces his energy level or some pseudo science bullshit.  His nominees for cabinet positions are completely inept, and I haven't even gotten into all racist and sexist shit he says on a regular basis.  He hasn't drained the swamp, so much as made the swamp, even swampier.

what are you guys really getting at.
C'mon, own up...

"own up ". Good call rabbitquest . looks as if we're claiming ownership of our own ideals ? Just as anyone that we oppose does ?  

When you die, what you own goes up for sale.

That says it all.

Funny , Elrond...

In gematria :

Person , Body , Things , and Ideal , add up to the same number...LOL !

So , yes , I admit, I claim ownership of my ideal , whichever one I hold

that I feel is applicable at that time...realizing that ideal can be a struggle !

Not necessarily , Byron...

My ideal send off , would be a huge party at a lake , where I and my

prize possessions would be set on fire , on a large raft , in the middle

of the lake by someone shooting a flaming arrow , from shore , thus

bringing the forces of fire , water , air , and the earth they were standing

on together in the send off...

Fuck what the law would say about that...I am already planning for it...;)

Blackwolf said:Funny , Elrond...

In gematria :

Person , Body , Things , and Ideal , add up to the same number...LOL !

So , yes , I admit, I claim ownership of my ideal , whichever one I hold

that I feel is applicable at that time...realizing that ideal can be a struggle ! That is funny .Also funny how this thread has morphed so rapidly lol