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Eerie
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“We are seeing the most draconian measures enforced at all levels of government that we've ever seen in our lifetimes, and yet rather than being alarmed by the things going on, so many of you applaud.
People are being arrested for spending too much time outside, and you applaud. Pastors are being arrested for daring to hold church services, and you applaud. A child's birthday party is raided by police, and you applaud. A young woman is ticketed for going on a leisurely drive alone because it's deemed "non-essential travel", and you applaud. A parade of school teachers and administrators who wanted to drive through neighborhoods and wave at children is busted up by cops because they were "non-essential," and you applaud. A lone paddle-boarder in the ocean on a beach without any other people around is arrested because he's violating quarantine orders, and you applaud.
People are being denied life saving medical treatments because they're not a priority right now (not "essential" as deemed by the government) as the entirety of our medical system is focused on one thing, and you applaud.
Businesses are beings forcibly closed and padlocked and owners arrested for refusing to shut down, and you applaud. Dairy farmers (and soon, other farmers) are being incentivized to stop dairy farming and to sell their herds, and you don't seem to understand the implications.
You're being told to use hotlines and online forms provided by your local governments to report your neighbors who don't obey, and you comply. You scold people day after day for not obeying government edicts, and if any of us dare to question what's happening, you lecture about how we're a danger to society and and we just don't care about people dying.
You've somehow managed to convince yourselves that the people whose lives are affected by a virus are MUCH more important than the people whose lives are being destroyed (and in many cases, leading to death) by the effects of a worldwide economic shutdown and impending worldwide depression the likes of which no one has ever seen before.
At what point will you start QUESTIONING what's going on? How far does the government have to push before you're jolted awake from your slumber? How far are you willing to go with this?
If they told you to load your families onto train cars so that you could be taken to Virus Protection Facilities for your own safety, would you do it?
YES. Yes, you would.That much has become painfully obvious to me. And the whole time, you'd be shaking your finger and yelling at those of us who refused, accusing us of being "a danger to society" and "not caring if people die."
But they don't have to load you onto train cars and take you to Virus Protection Facilities, or force you to comply, because you do that voluntarily. They control your mind. They control you through fear. They control you by convincing you that the world is a scary dangerous place, but they're here to protect you, care for you, and keep you safe, just as long as you OBEY.
They know that as long as you're locked inside your comfortable home with Netflix, Hulu, Face-book, Twitter, Instagram, and a cell phone, while dangling a $1200 check in front of you like a carrot on a stick, you'll comply. No force is necessary for the majority of the herd.
YOU ARE IMPRISONED, willingly, and you're too blind to see it”.  - Anonymous American



A friend of mine shared this. Something to consider.

Billy_Snagg
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Eerie says: “We are seeing the most draconian measures enforced at all levels of government that we've ever seen in our lifetimes, and yet rather than being alarmed by the things going on, so many of you applaud.
People are being arrested for spending too much time outside, and you applaud. Pastors are being arrested for daring to hold church services, and you applaud. A child's birthday party is raided by police, and you applaud. A young woman is ticketed for going on a leisurely drive alone because it's deemed "non-essential travel", and you applaud."

I'm doing my bit, you should too.

Billy_Snagg
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Josh
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Thanks for posting that Eerie.

The gist of it tallies with the observation of former Supreme Court judge, Lord Sumption:

"The real problem is that when human societies lose their freedom, it’s not usually because tyrants have taken it away. It’s usually because people willingly surrender their freedom in return for protection against some external threat. And the threat is usually a real threat but usually exaggerated. That’s what I fear we are seeing now. The pressure on politicians has come from the public. They want action. They don’t pause to ask whether the action will work. They don’t ask themselves whether the cost will be worth paying. They want action anyway. And anyone who has studied history will recognise here the classic symptoms of collective hysteria.

Hysteria is infectious. We are working ourselves up into a lather in which we exaggerate the threat and stop asking ourselves whether the cure may be worse than the disease".

If you want to listen to the rest of the 7-minute video (which has a full transcript), I've posted it before but here it is again:
https://unherd.com/thepost/lord-sumption-on-the-national-coronavirus-hysteria/


hemihead
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Eerie said:“We are seeing the most draconian measures enforced at all levels of government that we've ever seen in our lifetimes, and yet rather than being alarmed by the things going on, so many of you applaud.
People are being arrested for spending too much time outside, and you applaud. Pastors are being arrested for daring to hold church services, and you applaud. A child's birthday party is raided by police, and you applaud. A young woman is ticketed for going on a leisurely drive alone because it's deemed "non-essential travel", and you applaud. A parade of school teachers and administrators who wanted to drive through neighborhoods and wave at children is busted up by cops because they were "non-essential," and you applaud. A lone paddle-boarder in the ocean on a beach without any other people around is arrested because he's violating quarantine orders, and you applaud.
People are being denied life saving medical treatments because they're not a priority right now (not "essential" as deemed by the government) as the entirety of our medical system is focused on one thing, and you applaud.
Businesses are beings forcibly closed and padlocked and owners arrested for refusing to shut down, and you applaud. Dairy farmers (and soon, other farmers) are being incentivized to stop dairy farming and to sell their herds, and you don't seem to understand the implications.
You're being told to use hotlines and online forms provided by your local governments to report your neighbors who don't obey, and you comply. You scold people day after day for not obeying government edicts, and if any of us dare to question what's happening, you lecture about how we're a danger to society and and we just don't care about people dying.
You've somehow managed to convince yourselves that the people whose lives are affected by a virus are MUCH more important than the people whose lives are being destroyed (and in many cases, leading to death) by the effects of a worldwide economic shutdown and impending worldwide depression the likes of which no one has ever seen before.
At what point will you start QUESTIONING what's going on? How far does the government have to push before you're jolted awake from your slumber? How far are you willing to go with this?
If they told you to load your families onto train cars so that you could be taken to Virus Protection Facilities for your own safety, would you do it?
YES. Yes, you would.That much has become painfully obvious to me. And the whole time, you'd be shaking your finger and yelling at those of us who refused, accusing us of being "a danger to society" and "not caring if people die."
But they don't have to load you onto train cars and take you to Virus Protection Facilities, or force you to comply, because you do that voluntarily. They control your mind. They control you through fear. They control you by convincing you that the world is a scary dangerous place, but they're here to protect you, care for you, and keep you safe, just as long as you OBEY.
They know that as long as you're locked inside your comfortable home with Netflix, Hulu, Face-book, Twitter, Instagram, and a cell phone, while dangling a $1200 check in front of you like a carrot on a stick, you'll comply. No force is necessary for the majority of the herd.
YOU ARE IMPRISONED, willingly, and you're too blind to see it”.  - Anonymous American



A friend of mine shared this. Something to consider.



Two alternate thoughts to this narrative;

- it makes the unstated assumption that if people can’t work/commerce stops, people will suffer. That doesn’t have to be the case, it is just how some governments and ruling classes tell you it has to be. It does not.

- who wants you to go back to work the very most? The ruling class. Do you think any of the current noise on media outlets that are owners by billionaires might perhaps be forcing this agenda?

Do you really want to die for the economy?

Do you really have to risk your life for the economy?


I think something is broken.

Blackwolf
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Josh said:

The problem with reductionism to just numbers, is that the 10% who die might not do so without fear (so their sojourn on planet-Earth might be largely wasted) --- and also their loved ones left behind have to deal with the trauma of not being able to say a proper good-bye because of new 'corpse-disposal' rules.

Concerning the planet's tit-for-tat with humans, there is truth in what you say but not in the 'war narrative' (which is what caused the problem in the first place, ie: the human science-technology project to conquer Nature), rather that we have ceased to treat all the planet as sacred and in so doing the planet as a living entity responds in an optimal way, even if we cannot understand the complexity of it.


Here we might disagree , Josh...( perhaps only in perspective )

If someone dies in fear , does not mean their time is "wasted"...

Just they might just have to work through the energy , before
they move on , as it acts as a wall to further development...

One does not have to be in body to do so...( my belief's perspective )

Second , if someone feels *trauma* because they can not say
goodbye "physically" , that is their problem...truthfully !

I never saw my parents just before , or after they died...

No funeral , no last viewing , no last goodbye...

So what ?

They moved on...if people feel trauma , that is something they
have to learn from , and overcome...to do less than that , is to
back off from true awareness...of course , just "my" perspective...

Best to you !

EdibleWords
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Cutting Down Dr Death with Fever and Dr Campbell-TRY NOT2LAUGH

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Josh said:

The problem with reductionism to just numbers, is that the 10% who die might not do so without fear (so their sojourn on planet-Earth might be largely wasted) --- and also their loved ones left behind have to deal with the trauma of not being able to say a proper good-bye because of new 'corpse-disposal' rules.

Concerning the planet's tit-for-tat with humans, there is truth in what you say but not in the 'war narrative' (which is what caused the problem in the first place, ie: the human science-technology project to conquer Nature), rather that we have ceased to treat all the planet as sacred and in so doing the planet as a living entity responds in an optimal way, even if we cannot understand the complexity of it.


Humans could be massively beneficial... instead of what we do.

I say, breed solutions!
Not toilet germs!


Blackwolf
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Eerie , thank you for posting what you did...

I feel / think it was very well written overall...

My best to the one who did so !

Valeriya
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What is  the main goal of  big brother?  
To control the economy or the working class?
To usher in a new global system by way of fear ?
To set limits on our moveability,  our freedom with threats of punishment, confinement or even death by virus?
To condition us into complacency or is it to control a pandemic?
Whatever the truth W,  we must admit that the  impression that is being stamped on society, this heavy handed suggestion to  stay put,  until you are told, will influence  our future generations.

Within this test tube we are currently living in,  their is someone who is falling through the giant crack that has opened  within our global society
The child, the teen, the young adult,
the future leaders of our planet are  being subjected  to a situation where they have no control.
A mind-altering condition that will affect  their mental health


With self-isolation becoming the way of life for our   children what will happen to their mental stability?
Who will stand to lead us when their mental health has deteriorated?
When the ability to make a decision is not there?  
Co dependency will rise,   maladaptive coping strategies will appear, the  inability to process emotions, sleeping disorders, even hypoplasia  
The possibility that a myriad of mental health disorders  will develop is real .  Anhedonia disorder,  the inability to experience pleasure, any pleasure, eating, waking,  listening to music, socializing,  will not affect them.
The result of poor regulation of dopamine
A new breed of human will have been created, a society where  Dysthymic Depressive Disorder is the status quo.
Our monetary system has changed globally the governments have written checks their asses can't cash .
Who will teach the child how to earn a living?
As working-class adults, we are shouldering the burden of this pandemic its rests squarely on our mental health and the mental health of our children
Created by self-isolation mentality

Nodreamshere
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well said.

Carpe_Noctem
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hemihead said:


Two alternate thoughts to this narrative;

- it makes the unstated assumption that if people can’t work/commerce stops, people will suffer. That doesn’t have to be the case, it is just how some governments and ruling classes tell you it has to be. It does not.

- who wants you to go back to work the very most? The ruling class. Do you think any of the current noise on media outlets that are owners by billionaires might perhaps be forcing this agenda?

Do you really want to die for the economy?

Do you really have to risk your life for the economy?


I think something is broken.


That's Bullshit Hemi. All these lock downs are doing is wiping out small business and killing of whats left of the middle class. Why for what end, the people are the economy it is us the consumer that keeps the economy going. Now that more and more people are losing their business and jobs, what are they supposed to do.
This stimulas will only cause hyperinflation and crash the economy, why perhaps to bring in a one world digital currency, where our only choice to make purchases is places like amazon.
Eerie raised a similar point to what I raised, the supply chain is fucked.

In the long run these measures will kill more people than they save, ie suicide, murder crime and will soon sky rocket.
For what, because the governments care so much about us, or to further clamp more control on us.

There is talk of immunity passports and travel passes for those that comply with the biometrics. Bill Gates id2020 talks about this will be done.

Dr Faucis own words from the New England medical journal 26th march


If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2

drone
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By Mitchell Feierstein, investor, banker, and author of Planet Ponzi: How we got into this mess, what happens next, and how to protect yourself. He spends his time between London and Manhattan.
Silicon Valley’s algorithms are controlling your cognitive map, and Congress is letting it happen. Covid-19 is providing the perfect cover to bolster that control — just in time for the 2020 election.
Neoliberalism was the perfect cover for oligarchs to unleash ideological warfare to protect the billions they’ve plundered from taxpayers.Trillions of dollars flowed into Silicon Valley, the birthplace of digital censorship — censorship that in many ways is more dangerous and insidious than the failed coup d'état of a sitting US president with the farcical Russiagate and impeachment hoax. Over the past two decades, democratic societies have been manipulated by Silicon Valley's unregulated big-tech behemoths, which now control the news flow and have weaponized Amazon, Facebook, Google, Twitter, YouTube, Instagram, Netflix, PayPal, Reddit, TikTok, Microsoft, Apple and the very dangerous Internet Of Things (sped along by 5G).
Hard proof is difficult to come by since you can never catch the tech giants red-handed. The way they purposefully conceal all their data and trademark algorithms only serves to reinforce the suspicions and the scattered evidence. But their motives have long been transparent in their own public statements and actions.
Covid-19 is the perfect diversion. While Congress busily passes more trillion-dollar bailouts for billionaires, big-tech stealthily ensures future generations become digital addicts who blindly accept and embrace, like sheep, the emergence of digital tyranny. Today’s college students stumble around like zombies in a trance, eyes glued to their mobile phones, afraid to “miss out” on real-time Instagram updates or TikTok’s latest memes. The development of 5G may result in a silent WWIII that ensures a quick demise of a zombified Western society without a single shot ever being fired.
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Twitter jams open a back door to track your phone – which may already be in use by the government
Silicon Valley's algorithms determine what content you see, when you see it, how you see it or if you see it at all. If the shadowy, faceless “moderators” disagree with your viewpoint or it is in opposition to the official neoliberal narrative, it disappears, and you are shadowbanned. For example, I firmly believe my @PlanetPonzi Twitter feed is shadowbanned. Twitter's CEO Jack Dorsey endorsed an article as a “Great read” in which the authors reflected how US politics have gotten so bad (under the Trump White House) that “there was no bipartisan way forward... and the country is on the cusp of a civil war.” They continued, “In this current period of American politics, at this juncture in our history, there's no way that a bipartisan path provides the way forward.” Dorsey's support of this article establishes a precedent allowing a toxic culture at Twitter, which was likely reflected in employees’ selection of accounts to shadowban. Vice conducted an investigation that revealed how famous conservative voices that used Twitter were consistently suppressed more than liberal accounts. Twitter never addressed the Vice results and later denied claims saying it was a mistake or that “behavior-based signals” boost the visibility of certain accounts while suppressing the visibility of others as part of Twitter’s objective “to improve the health of the public conversation on Twitter.” So to reiterate, conservative voices, including existing members of US Congress like Matt Gaetz have been suppressed on Twitter. Due to Twitter's opaque nature, it is impossible to state that Twitter boosts individual accounts while ensuring voices the Twitter moderators disagree with are never seen, but it is highly likely. The stratospheric “click-fraud based” valuations of Silicon Valley's profitless zombie companies remains extraordinary. Twitter's $20-billion valuation is hilarious. Paul Singer's Elliott Management is a brave investor to have faith and confidence in Twitter's business model.
Another example can be found simply by looking at the comments directed toward Boris Johnson as he is sitting in hospital battling Covid-19. People are calling for his death and stating he deserves to be in this situation. Would these comments still be up if they were calling for the death of a liberal? Is it okay simply because Johnson is a conservative?
And it’s not just Twitter.
Despite its sworn testimony to the contrary, Google Search has been caught manipulating search data, hiding data and creating algorithms that do just that and leave no evidence. For example: The articles I write are buried by Google Search (try googling ‘Feierstein’, ‘Mitchell Feierstein’, ‘Feierstein rt.com’ and ‘Mitchell Feierstein rt.com’ and compare results).
Data scientists and psychologists hold the same view. Have a look at Ronald E. Robertson’s studies on Search Engine Manipulation Effect published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, which are fascinating and damning.
These digital gatekeepers have the power to control and manipulate populations via big-data collection. Your digital profile contains a record of everything you do. You are being tracked and all your movements and actions are recorded. This valuable data is compiled and stored by the companies listed above. This data is valuable and is based on your preferences and all the items you have searched or purchased on the internet, the stores you have visited and the places you have traveled to whether it be by car, bus, train or plane. Google, Amazon, Facebook et al. are recording your every move. All of these are, at least nominally, opt-out functions – but the companies are blatantly counting on people not being bothered enough to dig around the settings and untick all the small-script disclaimers.

drone
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by Helen Buyniski, RT
Apple and Google have unveiled an app – soon to be built into their mobile operating systems – that will trace users’ contacts to fight Covid-19. They insist it will be ‘opt-in’ and respect privacy, but we’ve heard that before.
The tech giants announced they were working together on a Bluetooth-based contact-tracing app on Friday. The platform will debut as an API – a tool programmers can use to integrate the functionality into their own apps – next month, the companies said, and will eventually be built into the iOS and Android operating systems themselves.
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EU ‘to take common approach’ on Covid-19 tracking apps as projects in Germany and France face privacy concerns, legal challenges

The app will work by sharing identifying information between nearby phones across a Bluetooth connection and notifying users when they have come into contact with an infected person, or one who later turns out to be infected. Its servers have a 14-day ‘memory’ of devices that have crossed paths. Both companies took pains to reassure the public that the identity and location of users will not be shared, insisting that the app works on proximity to other phones only rather than independent geographic position. Data decryption would occur locally, on the user’s phone, they explained.
“Privacy, transparency and consent are of utmost importance in this effort,” the corporations said in a joint statement, pledging to “publish information about our work for others to analyze” and work with “interested stakeholders” to expand the app’s functionality.
While both companies repeatedly insisted that the tech will be “opt-in” and respect users’ privacy and security, its eventual integration into the very operating systems that run the phones used by the vast majority of smartphone users is likely to concern privacy advocates. While Apple has framed itself as the ‘responsible’ Big Tech behemoth with regard to privacy, information-hungry Google is notorious for running every morsel of data it can get its hands on through thickets of algorithms and apologizing for intrusions later, if at all.
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‘We apologise’: Google disables its data-collecting app for violating Apple’s policies



The companies’ statement explains its APIs will work hand in glove with apps built by public health authorities. While unofficial collaboration between Big Tech and Big Brother has reached new heights under the coronavirus epidemic, making the relationship official is not likely to sit well with users worried about hacks and leaks – or the potential information bonanza that would come from opening a data channel between the authorities and citizens’ phones.

The statement notably avoids mentioning what happens after a person is revealed to be exposed to an infected individual. Presumably they are expected to self-quarantine, but will the system notify authorities if they fail to do so? What about false positives, which are reportedly frequent with some Covid-19 tests?

The Google-Apple model is far from the only contact-tracing app on the market. Some 20 city and state governments in the US are in various stages of adopting a similar app called Private Kit developed at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, while the Pan-European Privacy Preserving Proximity Tracing Initiative, another Bluetooth-based model that claims (as the name suggests) to preserve users’ privacy, has been touted by the EU as the solution to contact-tracing for the entire continent. Meanwhile, the US government is rumored to be using mobile advertising data to track individuals already.
The urgency of the coronavirus pandemic has been used by governments worldwide to justify unprecedented intrusions into their citizens’ privacy. While Google and Apple have promised the contact-tracing functionality that will soon be integrated into their operating systems can be remotely deactivated after the pandemic is over, their track record does not inspire confidence that they will keep that promise.
And so it begins
welcome to the china syndrome

Carpe_Noctem
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Scary shit. Thank you for that drone.

What if everybody knew this about the outbreak. Follow the money people.
https://youtu.be/vLn2YwkRBIs

Look at these draconian measures in America right now.
https://youtu.be/q78ZI9x454I


How about these measures
https://youtu.be/YWGfuyBoNNA

Valeriya
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Carpe_Noctem said:Scary shit. Thank you for that drone.

What if everybody knew this about the outbreak. Follow the money people.
https://youtu.be/vLn2YwkRBIs

Look at these draconian measures in America right now.
https://youtu.be/q78ZI9x454I


How about these measures
https://youtu.be/YWGfuyBoNNA


Los Angeles Fire Dept yes Fire Dept got approval for unmanned aircraft that will record body temp and report it ( to who then what)?for COVId-19 control for the safety of the people

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