Corona Virus ( Covid-19 )
Ahavati said:
I "teed off" on you last night because I felt you to be insensitive in regards to the lower number of deaths by covid-19 than the flu. Perspective, is the word you used. Like people are scared for no reason. They have a reason, many of those reasons are 6' under the earth now ( after surviving the flu all their lives ). Others are in critical condition fighting for their lives. Downplaying this virus, which has only just begun, by comparing numbers to other known illnesses is, imho, insensitive. It belittles their pain.
So I expressed that.
Wrongly.
I "teed off" on you last night because I felt you to be insensitive in regards to the lower number of deaths by covid-19 than the flu. Perspective, is the word you used. Like people are scared for no reason. They have a reason, many of those reasons are 6' under the earth now ( after surviving the flu all their lives ). Others are in critical condition fighting for their lives. Downplaying this virus, which has only just begun, by comparing numbers to other known illnesses is, imho, insensitive. It belittles their pain.
So I expressed that.
Wrongly.
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I personally choose life and freedom ;
No one will stop me from going where I want , or when I want...
However , Lepperochan , the best to you , and your family , and
the young one waiting for the grand entrance...healthy birth ,
and healthy life to come...mother as well !
A couple of comments:
Conspiracy theories about the origin of this virus will never be proved or disproved enough for a percentage of the population. What is important is that an outbreak like this has been statistically overdue, and WHO as well as other experts have been warning the world of that fact for several years. The conspiracy is the failure of governments to listen. If you would like to see an example of a clear warning, watch Bill Gates’ Ted talk about the world not being ready for this, from about 4 years ago.
People like to run out statistics about things like people dying of hunger, somehow trying to say that this is “nothing” and overblown. World hunger is a complex issue, and the world has been phenomenally successful in reducing it in the last 50 years. By any metric all the “big killers” are coming down all the time. Why this virus is a big deal is that if healthcare services are overwhelmed all the people that were going to die anyway will die, plus many who would normally have survived. This impacts you too....heart attacks, car accidents, childhood illnesses, difficult pregnancies will all have much higher mortalities if the healthcare systems get overwhelmed.
Some maths. 7.5 billion people x 75 percent infection rate x 4 percent mortality rate = 225 million people! Unchecked, factoring in the people who who also die as a by-product of an overwhelmed health system, and that the mortality rate will climb in countries with lower standards of healthcare, this number is much to low.
Conspiracy theories about the origin of this virus will never be proved or disproved enough for a percentage of the population. What is important is that an outbreak like this has been statistically overdue, and WHO as well as other experts have been warning the world of that fact for several years. The conspiracy is the failure of governments to listen. If you would like to see an example of a clear warning, watch Bill Gates’ Ted talk about the world not being ready for this, from about 4 years ago.
People like to run out statistics about things like people dying of hunger, somehow trying to say that this is “nothing” and overblown. World hunger is a complex issue, and the world has been phenomenally successful in reducing it in the last 50 years. By any metric all the “big killers” are coming down all the time. Why this virus is a big deal is that if healthcare services are overwhelmed all the people that were going to die anyway will die, plus many who would normally have survived. This impacts you too....heart attacks, car accidents, childhood illnesses, difficult pregnancies will all have much higher mortalities if the healthcare systems get overwhelmed.
Some maths. 7.5 billion people x 75 percent infection rate x 4 percent mortality rate = 225 million people! Unchecked, factoring in the people who who also die as a by-product of an overwhelmed health system, and that the mortality rate will climb in countries with lower standards of healthcare, this number is much to low.
hemihead said:A couple of comments:
Conspiracy theories about the origin of this virus will never be proved or disproved enough for a percentage of the population. What is important is that an outbreak like this has been statistically overdue, and WHO as well as other experts have been warning the world of that fact for several years. The conspiracy is the failure of governments to listen. If you would like to see an example of a clear warning, watch Bill Gates’ Ted talk about the world not being ready for this, from about 4 years ago.
People like to run out statistics about things like people dying of hunger, somehow trying to say that this is “nothing” and overblown. World hunger is a complex issue, and the world has been phenomenally successful in reducing it in the last 50 years. By any metric all the “big killers” are coming down all the time. Why this virus is a big deal is that if healthcare services are overwhelmed all the people that were going to die anyway will die, plus many who would normally have survived. This impacts you too....heart attacks, car accidents, childhood illnesses, difficult pregnancies will all have much higher mortalities if the healthcare systems get overwhelmed.
Some maths. 7.5 billion people x 75 percent infection rate x 4 percent mortality rate = 22.5 million people. Unchecked, factoring in the people who who also die as a by-product of an overwhelmed health system, and that the mortality rate will climb in countries with lower standards of healthcare, this number is much to low.
BRAVO! Thank you for that reasoning.
Comparing something that has peaked to something just beginning is downplaying, imo. A more adequate ( and factual ) comparison would be when this has peaked and leveled off.
Conspiracy theories about the origin of this virus will never be proved or disproved enough for a percentage of the population. What is important is that an outbreak like this has been statistically overdue, and WHO as well as other experts have been warning the world of that fact for several years. The conspiracy is the failure of governments to listen. If you would like to see an example of a clear warning, watch Bill Gates’ Ted talk about the world not being ready for this, from about 4 years ago.
People like to run out statistics about things like people dying of hunger, somehow trying to say that this is “nothing” and overblown. World hunger is a complex issue, and the world has been phenomenally successful in reducing it in the last 50 years. By any metric all the “big killers” are coming down all the time. Why this virus is a big deal is that if healthcare services are overwhelmed all the people that were going to die anyway will die, plus many who would normally have survived. This impacts you too....heart attacks, car accidents, childhood illnesses, difficult pregnancies will all have much higher mortalities if the healthcare systems get overwhelmed.
Some maths. 7.5 billion people x 75 percent infection rate x 4 percent mortality rate = 22.5 million people. Unchecked, factoring in the people who who also die as a by-product of an overwhelmed health system, and that the mortality rate will climb in countries with lower standards of healthcare, this number is much to low.
BRAVO! Thank you for that reasoning.
Comparing something that has peaked to something just beginning is downplaying, imo. A more adequate ( and factual ) comparison would be when this has peaked and leveled off.
Following on from an earlier comment, this is the Lancet’s statement (citing multiple studies) dismissing the bioengineering conspiracy for Covid-19.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30418-9/fulltext
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30418-9/fulltext
lethality of the common flu - less than 1%.
lethality of this rona bitch - 3.5 globally and counting.
lethality of an unprepared healthcare system experiencing unprecedented levels of people needing beds, medication, blood tests, ventilators, home care, resources resources resources- unknown
people are right to worry, even to panic, but sitting on a throne made of bog roll isn’t going to help, unless i am way off and society is genuinely about to collapse
lethality of this rona bitch - 3.5 globally and counting.
lethality of an unprepared healthcare system experiencing unprecedented levels of people needing beds, medication, blood tests, ventilators, home care, resources resources resources- unknown
people are right to worry, even to panic, but sitting on a throne made of bog roll isn’t going to help, unless i am way off and society is genuinely about to collapse
Anonymous
AverageJoe said:
Your free to imagine whatever you imagine my thoughts and feelings to be on any topic. If I tell you you're incorrect and you choose to call me a liar, you're free to do that too.
If only these quotes with flippant remarks were imagined.
AverageJoe said:Life is good. Malaria anti viral drug on the way. toilet paper production up 20%. There's monetary relief coming. Respirator production ramping up. Cases spike (increased testing) but death rate shows no similar spike. It's sunny and near 80 degrees here. Spring has arrived. Life is good.
That's the view from my world.
AverageJoe said:Rep. Mark Green (R-TN) : The old reliable Malaria drug chloroquine, the newer version hydroxychloroquine has shown really good, three studies, one in Australia, one in China and now one in France mixed with azithromycin, just the old Z-Pac that we take for bronchitis, has had 100%. It cleared the virus, in some cases in three days, that cocktail in every one of the patients in that study… It’s very promising, 100% of the virus gone in six days!
Another sunny day today in my world.
Your free to imagine whatever you imagine my thoughts and feelings to be on any topic. If I tell you you're incorrect and you choose to call me a liar, you're free to do that too.
If only these quotes with flippant remarks were imagined.
AverageJoe said:Life is good. Malaria anti viral drug on the way. toilet paper production up 20%. There's monetary relief coming. Respirator production ramping up. Cases spike (increased testing) but death rate shows no similar spike. It's sunny and near 80 degrees here. Spring has arrived. Life is good.
That's the view from my world.
AverageJoe said:Rep. Mark Green (R-TN) : The old reliable Malaria drug chloroquine, the newer version hydroxychloroquine has shown really good, three studies, one in Australia, one in China and now one in France mixed with azithromycin, just the old Z-Pac that we take for bronchitis, has had 100%. It cleared the virus, in some cases in three days, that cocktail in every one of the patients in that study… It’s very promising, 100% of the virus gone in six days!
Another sunny day today in my world.
what’s curious is that once you recover from it, you no longer pass it on through contact, making it the only self-eradicating plague I’ve ever heard of. that’s the only thing that gets my conspiracy brain ticking but if i try to dig into it I know I’ll drive myself mad
JohnnyBlaze said:
Those, to you, were flippant remarks. Fine. I made them purposely. To me this isn't the end of the world. Times are tough but life is good. People are coming together and learning the true importance of what really matters. Today is another sunny day in my part of S. C., I 'll be going outside to enjoy that sunshine shortly. I prefer to make lemons into lemonade rather than cry in my beer.
I 've never tried to be the thought police and parse everything someone says. I don't want that job.
Today's a good day too (I said that purposely).
Those, to you, were flippant remarks. Fine. I made them purposely. To me this isn't the end of the world. Times are tough but life is good. People are coming together and learning the true importance of what really matters. Today is another sunny day in my part of S. C., I 'll be going outside to enjoy that sunshine shortly. I prefer to make lemons into lemonade rather than cry in my beer.
I 've never tried to be the thought police and parse everything someone says. I don't want that job.
Today's a good day too (I said that purposely).
anna_grin said:what’s curious is that once you recover from it, you no longer pass it on through contact, making it the only self-eradicating plague I’ve ever heard of. that’s the only thing that gets my conspiracy brain ticking but if i try to dig into it I know I’ll drive myself mad
There is not yet any clear understanding of transmission modalities. The period when a person is infectious is clearer now. The length of time it can live on hard surfaces etc is becoming clearer.
What is yet to be resolved is whether people can be reinfected. If this is true (which I struggle to believe but have no cred in this field) there is no vaccination solution.
If you get any viral infection, once you body has had it and recovered, you are a low risk of recontracting or transmitting (but it is not zero). No one credible will be saying that a person who has recovered from Covid-19 cannot still be contact-carrying the virus on their hands, and then transmit it in say a handshake.
There is not yet any clear understanding of transmission modalities. The period when a person is infectious is clearer now. The length of time it can live on hard surfaces etc is becoming clearer.
What is yet to be resolved is whether people can be reinfected. If this is true (which I struggle to believe but have no cred in this field) there is no vaccination solution.
If you get any viral infection, once you body has had it and recovered, you are a low risk of recontracting or transmitting (but it is not zero). No one credible will be saying that a person who has recovered from Covid-19 cannot still be contact-carrying the virus on their hands, and then transmit it in say a handshake.
Anonymous
AverageJoe said:
Those, to you, were flippant remarks. Fine. I made them purposely. To me this isn't the end of the world. Times are tough but life is good. People are coming together and learning the true importance of what really matters. Today is another sunny day in my part of S. C., I 'll be going outside to enjoy that sunshine shortly. I prefer to make lemons into lemonade rather than cry in my beer.
I 've never tried to be the thought police and parse everything someone says. I don't want that job.
Today's a good day too (I said that purposely).
Ahavati said:
Nope. Not worth the time or effort.
Those, to you, were flippant remarks. Fine. I made them purposely. To me this isn't the end of the world. Times are tough but life is good. People are coming together and learning the true importance of what really matters. Today is another sunny day in my part of S. C., I 'll be going outside to enjoy that sunshine shortly. I prefer to make lemons into lemonade rather than cry in my beer.
I 've never tried to be the thought police and parse everything someone says. I don't want that job.
Today's a good day too (I said that purposely).
Ahavati said:
Nope. Not worth the time or effort.
Anonymous
hemihead said:
There is not yet any clear understanding of transmission modalities. The period when a person is infectious is clearer now. The length of time it can live on hard surfaces etc is becoming clearer.
What is yet to be resolved is whether people can be reinfected. If this is true (which I struggle to believe but have no cred in this field) there is no vaccination solution.
If you get any viral infection, once you body has had it and recovered, you are a low risk of recontracting or transmitting (but it is not zero). No one credible will be saying that a person who has recovered from Covid-19 cannot still be contact-carrying the virus on their hands, and then transmit it in say a handshake.
If it mutates, it is going to be a bitch to get rid of.
There is not yet any clear understanding of transmission modalities. The period when a person is infectious is clearer now. The length of time it can live on hard surfaces etc is becoming clearer.
What is yet to be resolved is whether people can be reinfected. If this is true (which I struggle to believe but have no cred in this field) there is no vaccination solution.
If you get any viral infection, once you body has had it and recovered, you are a low risk of recontracting or transmitting (but it is not zero). No one credible will be saying that a person who has recovered from Covid-19 cannot still be contact-carrying the virus on their hands, and then transmit it in say a handshake.
If it mutates, it is going to be a bitch to get rid of.
