Warning, Extreme content
you clicked in despite the warning, so well done, you adventurous type. .. or you didn't and can't see this, in which case: go fuck yourself
sooo.. here's a question or two.
but first, let's say you write a poetry which needs an extreme caution.
why do you give caution. ie:
is it because you feel you have to, or because you'd rather not have young eyes in your words ..or in your mind
when you write, do you hold back at all if you suspect a younger person will be reading what you write. or if a younger person has subscribed to your updates (objection! ..leading the witness, your honour)
and in terms of writing, [specifically those who would not meet the age requirments of the extreme caution] would it be unfair to expect (enforce) an abstention from writing, reading, or entering competitions which are preceded with an extreme caution
if there are any of the younger members present. how do you feel about extreme cautions.
sooo.. here's a question or two.
but first, let's say you write a poetry which needs an extreme caution.
why do you give caution. ie:
is it because you feel you have to, or because you'd rather not have young eyes in your words ..or in your mind
when you write, do you hold back at all if you suspect a younger person will be reading what you write. or if a younger person has subscribed to your updates (objection! ..leading the witness, your honour)
and in terms of writing, [specifically those who would not meet the age requirments of the extreme caution] would it be unfair to expect (enforce) an abstention from writing, reading, or entering competitions which are preceded with an extreme caution
if there are any of the younger members present. how do you feel about extreme cautions.
ah Craic I have to say I'm guilty at plaguing the world with content that is beyond Extreme and my soul pays a heavy toll each time I do..
I don't have a real answer to this moral dilemma I know I offend even the most worldly of adults..
I don't have a real answer to this moral dilemma I know I offend even the most worldly of adults..
yes, I think we can safely assume your poetry is the cause of most shooting sprees across the US. but we're not here to point fingers, even if it's at ourselves ..or offer offence ..or oppologise for offence pending or past
..you're welcome
..you're welcome
I think if a comp is flagged extreme immediately at set up, then yes, that means under 18 should really not be going in there.
If a comp started off not needing the flag & an entrant made it such that it now does, then there's the gray area--the criteria changed after the fact, so is it fair to slap the young hands in the cookie jar now ?
Personally I think if you're hosting a comp, you need to be very specific in your rules as far as what you want and what is and isn't acceptable, and entrants really need to respect that .
Regardless, the under 18 crowd is going to learn all about the birds, bees and ax murderers eventually so is our warning nothing more than a legal disclaimer to protect DUP in the event that some parent of an under ager, decides to flip out because they caught their kid going to questionable places online?
And what if the under 18 crowd, are already parents themselves? It's pretty apparent that they know what body parts are and how to use them, so isn't it a moot point to say, no you can't read this poem about humping?
Ah the dilemma...
If a comp started off not needing the flag & an entrant made it such that it now does, then there's the gray area--the criteria changed after the fact, so is it fair to slap the young hands in the cookie jar now ?
Personally I think if you're hosting a comp, you need to be very specific in your rules as far as what you want and what is and isn't acceptable, and entrants really need to respect that .
Regardless, the under 18 crowd is going to learn all about the birds, bees and ax murderers eventually so is our warning nothing more than a legal disclaimer to protect DUP in the event that some parent of an under ager, decides to flip out because they caught their kid going to questionable places online?
And what if the under 18 crowd, are already parents themselves? It's pretty apparent that they know what body parts are and how to use them, so isn't it a moot point to say, no you can't read this poem about humping?
Ah the dilemma...
Age is just a number. Anyone old enough to be going to a serious poetry forum to read and write, is old enough to determine what is and is not offensive to them as a person.
EC in this context is a legal precaution and nothing more. There are many poetry forums, persons of whatever age that do not wish to read or write erotic or dark (how vague) material would not be here.
As it is a legal precaution, I see the dilemma not being whether to remove an under age person from a comp that gets derailed, but to make it part of the Comp set up to choose EC or not, if EC is not chosen at the start of the comp, EC posts would be out of bounds and removed.
A 13 year old can walk into any book store and buy erotic materials as long as it does not contain pornographic images. I don't see how this site is any different than a book store.
I like the idea of an EC warning, not for excluding people of a certain age but to save me from reading materials that I would find offensive, which for me is exclusive to non-consensual sex acts and extreme violence of any sort. That however is not the intent of the EC here.
EC in this context is a legal precaution and nothing more. There are many poetry forums, persons of whatever age that do not wish to read or write erotic or dark (how vague) material would not be here.
As it is a legal precaution, I see the dilemma not being whether to remove an under age person from a comp that gets derailed, but to make it part of the Comp set up to choose EC or not, if EC is not chosen at the start of the comp, EC posts would be out of bounds and removed.
A 13 year old can walk into any book store and buy erotic materials as long as it does not contain pornographic images. I don't see how this site is any different than a book store.
I like the idea of an EC warning, not for excluding people of a certain age but to save me from reading materials that I would find offensive, which for me is exclusive to non-consensual sex acts and extreme violence of any sort. That however is not the intent of the EC here.
crimsin said:I agree Trix and I for one wish people would heed my EC warning before reading me..
When so much is marked EC, it loses its meaning. Here it means not for those under 18 "because sex" so people of whatever age think yeah yeah, its sex, not oh, this may be some really nasty offensive shit.
With nothing but the word "dark" to differentiate between the two and people's definitions of dark being diverse on top of that. Well, sometimes people are going to tread where they wish they hadn't. The only piece I have had that happen with was in a general erotic comp from which it was subsequently removed.
Without the author expressly stating what their definition of "dark" is, the only way to gauge is to first read their non-EC pieces and get a feel for the author's sensibilities.
I just looked at your profile and there is no warning that your EC material may contain acts of violent sex or rape. If it does in fact contain those things, your profile would be the place to make that clear.
When so much is marked EC, it loses its meaning. Here it means not for those under 18 "because sex" so people of whatever age think yeah yeah, its sex, not oh, this may be some really nasty offensive shit.
With nothing but the word "dark" to differentiate between the two and people's definitions of dark being diverse on top of that. Well, sometimes people are going to tread where they wish they hadn't. The only piece I have had that happen with was in a general erotic comp from which it was subsequently removed.
Without the author expressly stating what their definition of "dark" is, the only way to gauge is to first read their non-EC pieces and get a feel for the author's sensibilities.
I just looked at your profile and there is no warning that your EC material may contain acts of violent sex or rape. If it does in fact contain those things, your profile would be the place to make that clear.
I appreciate what everyone has expressed up to this point in the thread.
My observations and actions have become steadfast for me due to the competitions I've hosted so far, and always having my guidelines clear, consistent and fair, and how I follow-through on them should an anomaly present itself. Because I stay vigilant and stay in touch, I get right on a situation through thread comment, contact via pm with the miscreant, and contact a moderator should one be nearby. They're able to access if the following is necessary:
• Hide a derailed entry in question should the violation persist.
• Post a thread announcement for all to read to avoid further confusion.
• Temporarily shuts down the competition while admin looks deeper into issues, such as plagiarism, for one, if a charge has been reported.
You want to do what you can as a host, to have everyone feel safe & welcomed, and always to relax & enjoy. I've had very few problems while I host, with Moderators always helping me if I have a question or something's acting up, because I'm still learning. You never stop learning.
That's why (and here's the point that most addresses the theme of this forum) when it comes to my guidelines, I allow mild erotica, and state no extreme content allowed. However, because I've always understood and appreciate how the fine line between the two concepts wavers constantly, I always add:
"Please pm me if you're not sure." That one line makes all the difference. People have pm'd me to as for clarification, and no matter which way I go, I back it up with my reason for my decision, which doesn't leave my guest hanging; I've shown them respect. But they came to me for my ruling, my opinion, and I don't make those calls lightly.
As for the EC warning, I see it most times as a way for a member to make an informed decision to enter and read (and maybe change their mind, to remain or still leave), or not enter because they don't appreciate extreme. Simple. The EC alert draws your attention to inform you, it doesn't say FORBIDDEN. As for extreme violence of any kind, rape, and molestation of minors, a host is responsible to post something about those topics should the need arise.
There's no way to gauge, on the surface, the age of anyone on the Internet, on this site or any site. When I entered my first chatroom it was for 18+, and I was 13. There were seniors there as teenagers, men as women, women as men, gay as straight, straight as gay. Weekend fetishists, and 24/7 stalkers, and 24/7 authority posing as minors to snare stalkers. It was quite the education for a young girl or boy.
So my view for the EC, whenever it's deemed a necessity by whomever, is not as an elitist tool, no matter what's on the mind of those who use it on their posted art/write, or hosted competition. It's an appreciated precaution that looks out for everyone, because anyone here could be under 18 years of age. Unless you've met them, face-to-face, you don't know.
So the EC alert is to inform everyone. Where it goes from there, we can only hope it goes well. Because people are going to do what they're going to do. And I know a black or white answer may seem the most desired kind, it's not the most feasible, or even practical. I've given my thoughts, opinions and feelings for the most part on this theme through an unfiltered vent so to speak. Though this is no vent, it's just me trying to communicate in the middle of my night, and both shoes have dropped (meaning don't wait for the 2nd shoe). With all the best...
Thank you for hearing me, Craic.
Jade out.✌️
My observations and actions have become steadfast for me due to the competitions I've hosted so far, and always having my guidelines clear, consistent and fair, and how I follow-through on them should an anomaly present itself. Because I stay vigilant and stay in touch, I get right on a situation through thread comment, contact via pm with the miscreant, and contact a moderator should one be nearby. They're able to access if the following is necessary:
• Hide a derailed entry in question should the violation persist.
• Post a thread announcement for all to read to avoid further confusion.
• Temporarily shuts down the competition while admin looks deeper into issues, such as plagiarism, for one, if a charge has been reported.
You want to do what you can as a host, to have everyone feel safe & welcomed, and always to relax & enjoy. I've had very few problems while I host, with Moderators always helping me if I have a question or something's acting up, because I'm still learning. You never stop learning.
That's why (and here's the point that most addresses the theme of this forum) when it comes to my guidelines, I allow mild erotica, and state no extreme content allowed. However, because I've always understood and appreciate how the fine line between the two concepts wavers constantly, I always add:
"Please pm me if you're not sure." That one line makes all the difference. People have pm'd me to as for clarification, and no matter which way I go, I back it up with my reason for my decision, which doesn't leave my guest hanging; I've shown them respect. But they came to me for my ruling, my opinion, and I don't make those calls lightly.
As for the EC warning, I see it most times as a way for a member to make an informed decision to enter and read (and maybe change their mind, to remain or still leave), or not enter because they don't appreciate extreme. Simple. The EC alert draws your attention to inform you, it doesn't say FORBIDDEN. As for extreme violence of any kind, rape, and molestation of minors, a host is responsible to post something about those topics should the need arise.
There's no way to gauge, on the surface, the age of anyone on the Internet, on this site or any site. When I entered my first chatroom it was for 18+, and I was 13. There were seniors there as teenagers, men as women, women as men, gay as straight, straight as gay. Weekend fetishists, and 24/7 stalkers, and 24/7 authority posing as minors to snare stalkers. It was quite the education for a young girl or boy.
So my view for the EC, whenever it's deemed a necessity by whomever, is not as an elitist tool, no matter what's on the mind of those who use it on their posted art/write, or hosted competition. It's an appreciated precaution that looks out for everyone, because anyone here could be under 18 years of age. Unless you've met them, face-to-face, you don't know.
So the EC alert is to inform everyone. Where it goes from there, we can only hope it goes well. Because people are going to do what they're going to do. And I know a black or white answer may seem the most desired kind, it's not the most feasible, or even practical. I've given my thoughts, opinions and feelings for the most part on this theme through an unfiltered vent so to speak. Though this is no vent, it's just me trying to communicate in the middle of my night, and both shoes have dropped (meaning don't wait for the 2nd shoe). With all the best...
Thank you for hearing me, Craic.
Jade out.✌️
well, ok. if it's about avoiding offence then perhaps the extreme warning is warning enough
there's also the point: its a warning rather than a forbid-ence anyway.
here's another one : we hear testimony all the time from females who've been on the receiving end of unwanted attention. most of them put it down to their participation in a genre either on their poem pages or on a thread comp
one of the reasons our community has discouraged young members of any gender from activity within the more aldult-y realm is because predators. so it's more than just a legal thing.
anyway, thank you both for your thoughts.
edit: there's also the point: you don't even have to be a member to read extreme content
competitions are a bit of a grey area for me. I mean, it seems a bit unfair. a member of any age can post an entry on a comp without reading any of the other entries
there's also the point: its a warning rather than a forbid-ence anyway.
here's another one : we hear testimony all the time from females who've been on the receiving end of unwanted attention. most of them put it down to their participation in a genre either on their poem pages or on a thread comp
one of the reasons our community has discouraged young members of any gender from activity within the more aldult-y realm is because predators. so it's more than just a legal thing.
anyway, thank you both for your thoughts.
edit: there's also the point: you don't even have to be a member to read extreme content
competitions are a bit of a grey area for me. I mean, it seems a bit unfair. a member of any age can post an entry on a comp without reading any of the other entries
as a "younger" member of this site (i had a profile about (3, 4, five-ish years ago ?, time flies), when i was wayy too young to be on this website, to be honest, and still fit into the young box) , here's my perspective:
if there's a !extreme content! warning, i will probably ignore that poem. that being said, there are exceptions, there are perfectly brilliant poems that have warnings. also, i think it depends on your sensitivity to said poem. if there is a warning, i keep in mind that it may be something that would offend/appal me or some others. not much of this has to do with the basis of age. if i happen to be fond of a poet, click on one of their poems, say whatever to the extreme content warning, start reading the poem and think "wow, what the fuck is this shit"- i'll click back and read things without a warning label. everyone has a different level of sensitivity, for me, i don't like particularly weird erotica ( i mistakenly created "evil cupcake", whereas i was thinking more on the poison theme, everyone screwed that up real quick, haha, whoops). but even then i know the possibilities and the fact that god knows what is going to be posted. im part of the really internet generation, and we have a lot of exposure. if someone with low tolerance and lack of knowledge stumbles into this website, then they'll learn real quick that the warnings mean business, or they'll get the hell out.
if there's a !extreme content! warning, i will probably ignore that poem. that being said, there are exceptions, there are perfectly brilliant poems that have warnings. also, i think it depends on your sensitivity to said poem. if there is a warning, i keep in mind that it may be something that would offend/appal me or some others. not much of this has to do with the basis of age. if i happen to be fond of a poet, click on one of their poems, say whatever to the extreme content warning, start reading the poem and think "wow, what the fuck is this shit"- i'll click back and read things without a warning label. everyone has a different level of sensitivity, for me, i don't like particularly weird erotica ( i mistakenly created "evil cupcake", whereas i was thinking more on the poison theme, everyone screwed that up real quick, haha, whoops). but even then i know the possibilities and the fact that god knows what is going to be posted. im part of the really internet generation, and we have a lot of exposure. if someone with low tolerance and lack of knowledge stumbles into this website, then they'll learn real quick that the warnings mean business, or they'll get the hell out.
Hullo
bit of a dilemma with the evil cup cake comp. I mean, you'll probably have to abandon it
Thanks for your input. I think in general things work ok. but the question does pop up now and again. different scenarios and such. I think it's best to sound out all members for their inputs
bit of a dilemma with the evil cup cake comp. I mean, you'll probably have to abandon it
Thanks for your input. I think in general things work ok. but the question does pop up now and again. different scenarios and such. I think it's best to sound out all members for their inputs
Just like to ask/inform/say/provoke about a 'CC' tag: a Confusing Content should/could/would be used for poems. I would use the shitake out of it.
Which conveniently moves back onto the point in hand. The 'Extreme Content' and assumed no under 18s are a social convention that are employed, but not a bulwark of stone and bone that will last forever. As such is someone is horny/randy/smart/deep enough then they will find a way around the hurdle, but the EC flag acts as a handy guideline for people to observe. - Don't want the smut or violent or incredibly intellectual, then EC can help keep you and them clear of each other.
As for age restrictions, age and smut, in this day and depraved age the vices cannot be avoided, people will get exposed to them sooner or later. Though with things like the Extreme Content tag, it does not have to be a sudden exposure or an exposure without warning. It may even in some cases mean the material does not live up to the tag, meaning people may get bored of the vices!
If a younger person/member/being has followed a DU user who features a lot of EC and general extreme stuff, the hope is that they will be exposed to the bad stuff that has been crafted well. I mean if you are going to go down the dark paths, at least get the steps right! Though if the user/person/member seems to be doing nothing but getting jolly off the EC tags and EC competitions without really adding any art or even getting more crafted, then it would not be amiss to politely take them aside and ask them to cool off. Or even give them some pointers on how to make their stuff worthy of the EC tag.
Once again, where is that CC tag, or better a 'CA' tag: Confusion Abounds, my forum posts really should come with them.
Which conveniently moves back onto the point in hand. The 'Extreme Content' and assumed no under 18s are a social convention that are employed, but not a bulwark of stone and bone that will last forever. As such is someone is horny/randy/smart/deep enough then they will find a way around the hurdle, but the EC flag acts as a handy guideline for people to observe. - Don't want the smut or violent or incredibly intellectual, then EC can help keep you and them clear of each other.
As for age restrictions, age and smut, in this day and depraved age the vices cannot be avoided, people will get exposed to them sooner or later. Though with things like the Extreme Content tag, it does not have to be a sudden exposure or an exposure without warning. It may even in some cases mean the material does not live up to the tag, meaning people may get bored of the vices!
If a younger person/member/being has followed a DU user who features a lot of EC and general extreme stuff, the hope is that they will be exposed to the bad stuff that has been crafted well. I mean if you are going to go down the dark paths, at least get the steps right! Though if the user/person/member seems to be doing nothing but getting jolly off the EC tags and EC competitions without really adding any art or even getting more crafted, then it would not be amiss to politely take them aside and ask them to cool off. Or even give them some pointers on how to make their stuff worthy of the EC tag.
Once again, where is that CC tag, or better a 'CA' tag: Confusion Abounds, my forum posts really should come with them.
