Plagiarism vs Inspiration
VixenRouge
Joined 6th May 2016
Forum Posts: 49
Lost Thinker
Forum Posts: 49
In response to:
Jade v. Vixen
Comp: Three Word Challenge
Description: Let your mind run wild and think up your best combination of three words
The accusation was unseen by me until today when it was brought to my attention that I was being accused of plagiarism by Jade and I went back to the thread to review both her and my posts and found this:
Jade 5/16-11:59 p.m.
Jade-Pandora said:Regarding:
The misappropriated use by VixenRouge of some of my work as "word manipulation", a term by her in a pm response to me:
To host Danger Dale, one of the Moderators has advised me to post about the aforementioned miscrient's actions here while I have pm'd you the information in full, (which, due to a glitch, was sent to you multiple times).
If VixenRouge can do what she did to my work/entries, she'll do this to others' without conscience.
Jade
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PM exchange:
5/16-2:31 p.m.
Jade: copy/answering
Hi Vixen,
I'm curious. I just needed to find out your reason for copying off a lot of my 3-word challenge entries?
Thanks,
Jade
5/16-2:50 p.m.
Vixen: re: copy/answering
Copying? It's word manipulation, I'm using the words/concepts you laid down as inspirational springboards.
Peace,
V
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Poets borrow concepts and are inspired by other poets quite often, that is a large part of the purpose of gathering in a community to write. Someone expresses a thought/feeling in a poem, conversation, or the form of a challenge/comp and our brains go careening off down various paths, some similar to the original some not. As poets we are constantly finding inspiration in damn near any and everything, a single word may be all it takes.
Most of the time we are not questioned as to where we drew our inspiration, but here I have not only been questioned but accused of stealing words and ideas, plagiarism is how it's been presented, though without actually using the word because as I'm sure it was pointed out to her, I have in no way actually plagiarized anyone otherwise the moderator she contacted would have been in contact with me. Still, having been publicly accused and condemned as a word/idea thief, I feel the only response is to publicly dispel the accusation with a laying out of the events and the words/ideas I am accused of stealing. A one on one comparison of input/output is, I feel, the best way to do this. As Jade was not the only person I drew inspiration from I have included the others as well, though I submitted additional entries later I am only including those from the day Jade PMd me and then accused/condemned me; and now, onto the thread posts. I have included, where I can remember it, my thought process)
Arkarian 5/16-00:45 a.m.
The Silence Ends
Vixen 5/16-00:51 a.m.
Ends split infinity (silence ends, made me think of split ends and my never ending battle with them)
Jade 5/16-10:07 a.m.
Discus Cuts Twice
Vixen 5/16-1:40 p.m.
Dull
cuts deeper
(A discus is round, how the hell does it cut anything once much less twice? Well given enough force a dull knife can puncture and because of the force required would probably be embedded quite deep)
Jade 5/16-10:10 a.m.
Roar of Silence
Vixen 5/16-1:40 p.m.
Scream
silences
roar
(I've heard “roar of silence” before, boring. I'm more likely to scream, think and then if not calmed, go full boar)
Jade 5/16-10:12 a.m.
Termites Holding Hands
Vixen 5/16-1:41 p.m.
Mandibles
manipulating
wood
(Aww. Their mandibles are creepy. Ooh, lol, a play on them eating “wood” and a toothy BJ)
Jade 5/16-10:13 a.m.
Dreaming of Plums
Vixen 5/16-1:42 p.m.
Plump plum
ablomb
(I just like the color plum and the sounds of the words)
Jade 5/16-10:14 a.m.
Fishing For Answers
Vixen 5/16-1:42 p.m.
Fisting for answers
(Fishing for answers, eye roll, how boring, fighting for answers would be at least a little more interesting, fighting/fists a brawl or eww fisting)
Jade 5/16-10:20 a.m.
Tango Ripple Dip
Vixen 5/16-1:43 p.m.
Tango's echo lasts
(Tango either makes me think of dancing or military speak, I combined the two “tango echo” and the thrill of remembering a great night of dancing)
Jade 5/16-10:23 a.m.
Peppermint Chocolate Foreplay
Vixen 5/16-1:43 p.m.
Rainbow sprinkled libido
(Don't remember the thought process for this one)
Jade 5/16-10: a.m.
Sexy Satin Swirl
Vixen 5/16-1:45 p.m.
Satin sheet sadist
(Sexy and satin made me think of sheets, wanted to stick with the S sounds sex would be boring, so spice it up with a sadist)
Jade 5/16-10:26 a.m.
Honey-glazed peach fuzz
Jade 5/16-10:28 a.m.
Tipsy Champagne Tickle
Vixen 5/16-1:45 p.m.
Bubbly cherry pops
(Ok, this one is just wrong, the thought was first time sex drunk on champagne)
Jade 5/16-10:35 a.m.
Aftermath Sunrise Hangover
Vixen 5/16-1:45 p.m.
Hung over sun
(Jade's made me wonder what a hung over sun would feel like, and the thought stuck so I used it)
Jade 5/16-10:36 a.m.
Still Finding Pennies
Vixen 5/16-1:47 p.m.
Desperately seeking sense
(Pennies=cents, sounds like sense, finding/looking/seeking sense, then Desperately Seeking Susan popped into my head...)
Jade 5/16-10:44 a.m.
Navel Tongue Curl
Vixen 5/16-1:49 p.m.
Curly tongued devil
(Eew, tongues in the navel! A little lower now, mmhmm)
Jade 5/16-10:53 a.m.
Strawberry Parting Lips
Vixen 5/16-1:50 p.m.
Strawberry nips
lipped
(strawberry lip gloss is what first came to mind, then lips and nips...)
Jade 5/16-1:03 p.m.
Dignify Your Response
Vixen 5/16-1:50 p.m.
Dishonesty's dignified repose
(Don't remember for this one)
Jade 5/16-1:07 p.m.
Wanting Nothing Less
Jade 5/16-1:09 p.m.
This Past Year
Jade 5/16-1:12 p.m.
Burning Shoe Trees
Vixen 5/16-1:51 p.m.
Shoehorned leather daddy
(Shoe trees, shoe leather, leather daddy...)
Jade 5/16-1:13 p.m.
Suddenly It's Over
Jade 5/16-1:17 p.m.
Reveal the Graticule
(don't know what graticule is, don't feel like looking it up)
Jade 5/16-1:20 p.m.
As a Child
Jade 5/16-1:22 p.m.
The Darkness Between
Jade 5/16-1:23 p.m.
A Price Paid
Jade 5/16-1:24 p.m.
A Sullen Beauty
Jade 5/16-1:29 p.m.
We'll Talk Tomorrow
Vixen 5/16-1:59 p.m.
Tomorrow's words
borrowed
(Don't remember)
Jade 5/16-1:33 p.m.
I'm Hoping Perhaps
Vixen 5/16-2:00 p.m.
Kneeling
prayer answerer
(Hope/pray, kneeling, BJ)
Jade 5/16-1:35 p.m.
My Favorite Vantage
(wanted to do something with this but drew a blank)
Jade 5/16-1:36 p.m.
A Smooth Outcrop
Vixen 5/16-2:00 p.m.
Vulcantic chants erupted
(Outcrop made me think of mountains and meditation. Changed mountain to volcano, boring, eruption, cumming, orgasmic...)
Jade 5/16-1:36 p.m.
It'll Never Work
Jade 5/16-1:40 p.m.
Waiting For Word
Jade 5/16-1:43 p.m.
Her Breathless Want
Jade 5/16-2:08 p.m.
Sentenced To Life
Vixen 5/16-2:24 p.m.
Life? Sentence questioned.
(simple play on words)
Jade 5/16-2:10 p.m.
A Ritual Death
Vixen 5/16-2:25 p.m.
Death's rituals resonate
(the rituals surrounding death, the recent death of my step-mother...)
Jade 5/16-2:15 p.m.
On Borrowed Time
Vixen 5/16-2:25 p.m.
Borrowed time
interest
(this was a fail, the thought needs the word “gains” before “interest” to convey what I was going for)
SeeMeSeeYou 5/16-2:47 p.m.
Ask in silence
Vixen 5/16-4:40 p.m.
Answer
muffled diver
(Can't talk using mouth for other things...)
SeeMeSeeYou 5/16-2:49 p.m.
Suffer in solitude
Vixen 5/16-4:44 p.m.
Fortress mirrors prison
(Solitude, superman's fortress of solitude, solitary confinement...)
Jade v. Vixen
Comp: Three Word Challenge
Description: Let your mind run wild and think up your best combination of three words
The accusation was unseen by me until today when it was brought to my attention that I was being accused of plagiarism by Jade and I went back to the thread to review both her and my posts and found this:
Jade 5/16-11:59 p.m.
Jade-Pandora said:Regarding:
The misappropriated use by VixenRouge of some of my work as "word manipulation", a term by her in a pm response to me:
To host Danger Dale, one of the Moderators has advised me to post about the aforementioned miscrient's actions here while I have pm'd you the information in full, (which, due to a glitch, was sent to you multiple times).
If VixenRouge can do what she did to my work/entries, she'll do this to others' without conscience.
Jade
-----
PM exchange:
5/16-2:31 p.m.
Jade: copy/answering
Hi Vixen,
I'm curious. I just needed to find out your reason for copying off a lot of my 3-word challenge entries?
Thanks,
Jade
5/16-2:50 p.m.
Vixen: re: copy/answering
Copying? It's word manipulation, I'm using the words/concepts you laid down as inspirational springboards.
Peace,
V
-----
Poets borrow concepts and are inspired by other poets quite often, that is a large part of the purpose of gathering in a community to write. Someone expresses a thought/feeling in a poem, conversation, or the form of a challenge/comp and our brains go careening off down various paths, some similar to the original some not. As poets we are constantly finding inspiration in damn near any and everything, a single word may be all it takes.
Most of the time we are not questioned as to where we drew our inspiration, but here I have not only been questioned but accused of stealing words and ideas, plagiarism is how it's been presented, though without actually using the word because as I'm sure it was pointed out to her, I have in no way actually plagiarized anyone otherwise the moderator she contacted would have been in contact with me. Still, having been publicly accused and condemned as a word/idea thief, I feel the only response is to publicly dispel the accusation with a laying out of the events and the words/ideas I am accused of stealing. A one on one comparison of input/output is, I feel, the best way to do this. As Jade was not the only person I drew inspiration from I have included the others as well, though I submitted additional entries later I am only including those from the day Jade PMd me and then accused/condemned me; and now, onto the thread posts. I have included, where I can remember it, my thought process)
Arkarian 5/16-00:45 a.m.
The Silence Ends
Vixen 5/16-00:51 a.m.
Ends split infinity (silence ends, made me think of split ends and my never ending battle with them)
Jade 5/16-10:07 a.m.
Discus Cuts Twice
Vixen 5/16-1:40 p.m.
Dull
cuts deeper
(A discus is round, how the hell does it cut anything once much less twice? Well given enough force a dull knife can puncture and because of the force required would probably be embedded quite deep)
Jade 5/16-10:10 a.m.
Roar of Silence
Vixen 5/16-1:40 p.m.
Scream
silences
roar
(I've heard “roar of silence” before, boring. I'm more likely to scream, think and then if not calmed, go full boar)
Jade 5/16-10:12 a.m.
Termites Holding Hands
Vixen 5/16-1:41 p.m.
Mandibles
manipulating
wood
(Aww. Their mandibles are creepy. Ooh, lol, a play on them eating “wood” and a toothy BJ)
Jade 5/16-10:13 a.m.
Dreaming of Plums
Vixen 5/16-1:42 p.m.
Plump plum
ablomb
(I just like the color plum and the sounds of the words)
Jade 5/16-10:14 a.m.
Fishing For Answers
Vixen 5/16-1:42 p.m.
Fisting for answers
(Fishing for answers, eye roll, how boring, fighting for answers would be at least a little more interesting, fighting/fists a brawl or eww fisting)
Jade 5/16-10:20 a.m.
Tango Ripple Dip
Vixen 5/16-1:43 p.m.
Tango's echo lasts
(Tango either makes me think of dancing or military speak, I combined the two “tango echo” and the thrill of remembering a great night of dancing)
Jade 5/16-10:23 a.m.
Peppermint Chocolate Foreplay
Vixen 5/16-1:43 p.m.
Rainbow sprinkled libido
(Don't remember the thought process for this one)
Jade 5/16-10: a.m.
Sexy Satin Swirl
Vixen 5/16-1:45 p.m.
Satin sheet sadist
(Sexy and satin made me think of sheets, wanted to stick with the S sounds sex would be boring, so spice it up with a sadist)
Jade 5/16-10:26 a.m.
Honey-glazed peach fuzz
Jade 5/16-10:28 a.m.
Tipsy Champagne Tickle
Vixen 5/16-1:45 p.m.
Bubbly cherry pops
(Ok, this one is just wrong, the thought was first time sex drunk on champagne)
Jade 5/16-10:35 a.m.
Aftermath Sunrise Hangover
Vixen 5/16-1:45 p.m.
Hung over sun
(Jade's made me wonder what a hung over sun would feel like, and the thought stuck so I used it)
Jade 5/16-10:36 a.m.
Still Finding Pennies
Vixen 5/16-1:47 p.m.
Desperately seeking sense
(Pennies=cents, sounds like sense, finding/looking/seeking sense, then Desperately Seeking Susan popped into my head...)
Jade 5/16-10:44 a.m.
Navel Tongue Curl
Vixen 5/16-1:49 p.m.
Curly tongued devil
(Eew, tongues in the navel! A little lower now, mmhmm)
Jade 5/16-10:53 a.m.
Strawberry Parting Lips
Vixen 5/16-1:50 p.m.
Strawberry nips
lipped
(strawberry lip gloss is what first came to mind, then lips and nips...)
Jade 5/16-1:03 p.m.
Dignify Your Response
Vixen 5/16-1:50 p.m.
Dishonesty's dignified repose
(Don't remember for this one)
Jade 5/16-1:07 p.m.
Wanting Nothing Less
Jade 5/16-1:09 p.m.
This Past Year
Jade 5/16-1:12 p.m.
Burning Shoe Trees
Vixen 5/16-1:51 p.m.
Shoehorned leather daddy
(Shoe trees, shoe leather, leather daddy...)
Jade 5/16-1:13 p.m.
Suddenly It's Over
Jade 5/16-1:17 p.m.
Reveal the Graticule
(don't know what graticule is, don't feel like looking it up)
Jade 5/16-1:20 p.m.
As a Child
Jade 5/16-1:22 p.m.
The Darkness Between
Jade 5/16-1:23 p.m.
A Price Paid
Jade 5/16-1:24 p.m.
A Sullen Beauty
Jade 5/16-1:29 p.m.
We'll Talk Tomorrow
Vixen 5/16-1:59 p.m.
Tomorrow's words
borrowed
(Don't remember)
Jade 5/16-1:33 p.m.
I'm Hoping Perhaps
Vixen 5/16-2:00 p.m.
Kneeling
prayer answerer
(Hope/pray, kneeling, BJ)
Jade 5/16-1:35 p.m.
My Favorite Vantage
(wanted to do something with this but drew a blank)
Jade 5/16-1:36 p.m.
A Smooth Outcrop
Vixen 5/16-2:00 p.m.
Vulcantic chants erupted
(Outcrop made me think of mountains and meditation. Changed mountain to volcano, boring, eruption, cumming, orgasmic...)
Jade 5/16-1:36 p.m.
It'll Never Work
Jade 5/16-1:40 p.m.
Waiting For Word
Jade 5/16-1:43 p.m.
Her Breathless Want
Jade 5/16-2:08 p.m.
Sentenced To Life
Vixen 5/16-2:24 p.m.
Life? Sentence questioned.
(simple play on words)
Jade 5/16-2:10 p.m.
A Ritual Death
Vixen 5/16-2:25 p.m.
Death's rituals resonate
(the rituals surrounding death, the recent death of my step-mother...)
Jade 5/16-2:15 p.m.
On Borrowed Time
Vixen 5/16-2:25 p.m.
Borrowed time
interest
(this was a fail, the thought needs the word “gains” before “interest” to convey what I was going for)
SeeMeSeeYou 5/16-2:47 p.m.
Ask in silence
Vixen 5/16-4:40 p.m.
Answer
muffled diver
(Can't talk using mouth for other things...)
SeeMeSeeYou 5/16-2:49 p.m.
Suffer in solitude
Vixen 5/16-4:44 p.m.
Fortress mirrors prison
(Solitude, superman's fortress of solitude, solitary confinement...)
Anonymous
I'm curious about which specific examples were viewed as plagiarism. Skimming through them, I don't see plagiarism in any of these.
Umm
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Dangerous Mind
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That's not plagiarism. What your saying may sound similar to what Jade said but since it's just three words changing something even a little vastly changes everything.
PsycoticMastermind
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Thought Provoker
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If one is that possessive of three word phrases blurted in a public forum, then one should instead blurt them straight into a titanium vault and immediately shut the door. Let them remain hidden from society until being published in a book comprised entirely of three word phrases.
JohnnyBlaze
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Tyrant of Words
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10% royalties go to Johnny Balze for usage of one or more but less than three of these wurds in conjunction with any other wurds.
10% royalties go to Johnny Balze for usage of one or more but less than three of these wurds in conjunction with any other wurds.
Magnetron
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Fire of Insight
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I suppose I would be upset if I was cheated out of a trophy or prize if another person won using two of my three words.
But then again, I would consider the judge who awarded the prize to be a hack for not being able to put 2 + 2 together as to where the inspiration came from.
In this situation, there is no prize and anyone reading the thread can see for themselves what was inspired by whom.
But then again, I would consider the judge who awarded the prize to be a hack for not being able to put 2 + 2 together as to where the inspiration came from.
In this situation, there is no prize and anyone reading the thread can see for themselves what was inspired by whom.
MayRayn
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Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. (I totally stole that.)
JohnnyBlaze
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Just for future reference: it's probably not a good idea to be copy/pasting private messages into places of public view, hence why they're called "private" messages. While what's done, is done, personally, I would have opted for paraphrasing said messages and keeping the other party anonymous, unless their permission was given to post.