Should moderators take down opinions of DU members?
Does censorship exist in DU?
OK, other strictures – if you go erotic, don’t go pornographic… What’s the difference? ‘glad you asked!
*If the heat on the page requires no imagination from the reader… pornographic!
BUT
*If the heat on the page is all in the imagination of the reader… erotic!
This was the definition of pornographic in a members comp rules. I responded that i took offense. I use imagery...but also i create erotica and art not porn.
My response was taken down without even speaking to me.
Maybe it was right...I feel it is censorship.
What are your opinions?
OK, other strictures – if you go erotic, don’t go pornographic… What’s the difference? ‘glad you asked!
*If the heat on the page requires no imagination from the reader… pornographic!
BUT
*If the heat on the page is all in the imagination of the reader… erotic!
This was the definition of pornographic in a members comp rules. I responded that i took offense. I use imagery...but also i create erotica and art not porn.
My response was taken down without even speaking to me.
Maybe it was right...I feel it is censorship.
What are your opinions?
I have had people write me scathing poetry...tell me off...call me bitch
Had a man that didnt like what i said in a comp write me a scathing piece and continue to write awful things. The same moderator that just pulled my reply that was not mean....just expressing concern...
He told the man who wrote a nasty poem about me...co tinued to speak to.me like trash, messaged me harrasing me...
For the love of God! That is all that was said to him....
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Had a man that didnt like what i said in a comp write me a scathing piece and continue to write awful things. The same moderator that just pulled my reply that was not mean....just expressing concern...
He told the man who wrote a nasty poem about me...co tinued to speak to.me like trash, messaged me harrasing me...
For the love of God! That is all that was said to him....
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if this thread is about bashing Craic dealer then I'm in ..he's a horrible horrible person with no sense of honor or morals.
if it's about censorship then you might note that your opinion is here uncensored because it's not posted on a competition thread
if it's about censorship then you might note that your opinion is here uncensored because it's not posted on a competition thread
Oh okay....we are not suposed to give opinions on comps? I see it all the time.
All opinions or......
How about posting guidelines.
I still fail to see how it isnt censorship...
cen·sor·ship
ˈsensərˌSHip/
noun
the practice of officially examining books, movies, etc., and suppressing unacceptable parts.
"details of the visit were subject to military censorship"
My post was examined and surpresssed. It was censored. Period.
All opinions or......
How about posting guidelines.
I still fail to see how it isnt censorship...
cen·sor·ship
ˈsensərˌSHip/
noun
the practice of officially examining books, movies, etc., and suppressing unacceptable parts.
"details of the visit were subject to military censorship"
My post was examined and surpresssed. It was censored. Period.
lepperochan said:if this thread is about bashing Craic dealer then I'm in ..he's a horrible horrible person with no sense of honor or morals.
if it's about censorship then you might note that your opinion is here uncensored because it's not posted on a competition thread
I know nothing about Craic and have no clue what you are talking about.
Sorry Craic....
if it's about censorship then you might note that your opinion is here uncensored because it's not posted on a competition thread
I know nothing about Craic and have no clue what you are talking about.
Sorry Craic....
OK, other strictures – if you go erotic, don’t go pornographic… What’s the difference? ‘glad you asked!
*If the heat on the page requires no imagination from the reader… pornographic!
BUT
*If the heat on the page is all in the imagination of the reader… erotic!
Really? Requiring no imagination is pornographic. Thanks. Many of mine, many of yours i have seen require no imagination. I write erotica and art. Not porn. And there are many in DU that do the same. I take serious offense to that defintion. Take offense for them. Great poets that use phrases like "His cock beat in my cunt until its quake shook me to quake"
This is a debate that has been gone through many high up channels to decide....good to know you have that answer.
there ya go, Lady. you're officially uncensored.
I understand your concerns about censorship. nobody likes it 'cept maybe Nazis and the BBC
I agree with the chaps definitions, others might not. that's because the two are so closely related Paul might say porn Peter might say erotic
but look, I still think your time and effort would have been better served by starting a thread about your origonil concerns because it would be an interesting thread
the competitions are a place to post entries and sometimes a place to give encouragment to entries
yes, I may drop the ball on occasion and I appologise if my lack of action on a specific occasion hurt you, this is the first I have heard of your hurt
anyhow, carry on, Lady, it's all good, I feel no offence and know you're not attacking me
to be honest I was hoping to see member's opinions on censorship too
I agree with the chaps definitions, others might not. that's because the two are so closely related Paul might say porn Peter might say erotic
but look, I still think your time and effort would have been better served by starting a thread about your origonil concerns because it would be an interesting thread
the competitions are a place to post entries and sometimes a place to give encouragment to entries
yes, I may drop the ball on occasion and I appologise if my lack of action on a specific occasion hurt you, this is the first I have heard of your hurt
anyhow, carry on, Lady, it's all good, I feel no offence and know you're not attacking me
to be honest I was hoping to see member's opinions on censorship too
I do agree on censorship, to a certain extent. The site itself havr specific do's and don'ts. That alone is a criteria. Its just a matter of sound judgement on the mods part on how to enforce the censorship. On sensitive issues, i would suggest that it be discussed ong fellow moderators. After all, this site is for those writers who just needs a place for their works. To have someone appreciate, heck! Even bash ! As long as it isn't deregatory. Then take it constructively.
But, given that this is an International community with poets from diff ciltures, some concessions should be made. Not to the point of being too lax and acting against the site's policy... In the end, the site should maintain its image. If there is no censorship, lots of trash talks would circle around and this site wouldn't be what it is. No decent poets would wanna stay if the environment got, shall we say, too muddy.
My 2cents...
Censorship... equal responsibility of the site and of the contributors. Respect the site policy, respect your fellow poets, respect yourself.
Am i even making any sense?
But, given that this is an International community with poets from diff ciltures, some concessions should be made. Not to the point of being too lax and acting against the site's policy... In the end, the site should maintain its image. If there is no censorship, lots of trash talks would circle around and this site wouldn't be what it is. No decent poets would wanna stay if the environment got, shall we say, too muddy.
My 2cents...
Censorship... equal responsibility of the site and of the contributors. Respect the site policy, respect your fellow poets, respect yourself.
Am i even making any sense?
you make a lot of sense. the site is freedom of speech orientated and offers a fair amount of freedom of speech. I've started numerous threads about it, even in connection to very controversial content
like I said to Jennifer, the comment was hidden to prevent the competition thread become a thread of debate. I suggested she start a thread about the definition of erotica and porn
I also think Freya is right, censorship is a form of control and on a writing site full of poets, theorists and philosophers censorship is a bit shitty at the same time, it rarely happens. the last case of censorship concerned the clitoris of an aligator and there was quite an uproar
just to be clear it wasn't the content of the comment it was where the comment was.
most times most actions are first discussed by the mods, all actions are recorded and can be easily rectified if a mistake was made
like I said to Jennifer, the comment was hidden to prevent the competition thread become a thread of debate. I suggested she start a thread about the definition of erotica and porn
I also think Freya is right, censorship is a form of control and on a writing site full of poets, theorists and philosophers censorship is a bit shitty at the same time, it rarely happens. the last case of censorship concerned the clitoris of an aligator and there was quite an uproar
just to be clear it wasn't the content of the comment it was where the comment was.
most times most actions are first discussed by the mods, all actions are recorded and can be easily rectified if a mistake was made
I'll add in my two cents as well, opinionated ol' bat, that I am: this website is pretty darn carefree, compared to some of the other writing/poetry sites out there on the Internets, but there still is a level of decorum that should be maintained so that it doesn't become a bucket where everyone can drop their pussy slop into and make a big pussy slop mud pie or Starbucks big-gulp, or what have you. We want to be able to attract and make feel welcome, all writers to this site, and not have it get a reputation as being one thing or another, heavily swayed in one or a few directions.
Example: do we want to be thought of as "that porn site" or the place where it's like Mad Max Thunderdome (awesome movie, btw) or the Jesus freak site (and ya'all know how much he's my homie) or the whatever? We want everyone regardless of interests or beliefs to feel as if this place is neutral ground.
That said, yes, we do have to get out the cyber vacuum at times and tidy up a bit. If something is amiss or looks like it could go in the amiss-direction, it's on our radar, but we also are human too, us mods. We do our best.
For censorship in general, I've said it before and I'll reiterate it again: there is freedom of speech and expression here, with a few guidelines set forth by our Webmiss, the owner of this site, as she can rightfully do. All freedoms must also be used in conjunction with wisdom, too, meaning just because you can, does that really mean you should?
I believe, too, that our member Magnetron, hit it on the head a while back in another discussion of this sort: if you are a guest in someone's house, would you smear feces on your host's walls? Likewise, we are guests in the Webmiss' cyber house, and are allowed to hang our writing and art on her walls, but like the real house walls, would we smear excrement on these walls?
Just my thoughts!
Example: do we want to be thought of as "that porn site" or the place where it's like Mad Max Thunderdome (awesome movie, btw) or the Jesus freak site (and ya'all know how much he's my homie) or the whatever? We want everyone regardless of interests or beliefs to feel as if this place is neutral ground.
That said, yes, we do have to get out the cyber vacuum at times and tidy up a bit. If something is amiss or looks like it could go in the amiss-direction, it's on our radar, but we also are human too, us mods. We do our best.
For censorship in general, I've said it before and I'll reiterate it again: there is freedom of speech and expression here, with a few guidelines set forth by our Webmiss, the owner of this site, as she can rightfully do. All freedoms must also be used in conjunction with wisdom, too, meaning just because you can, does that really mean you should?
I believe, too, that our member Magnetron, hit it on the head a while back in another discussion of this sort: if you are a guest in someone's house, would you smear feces on your host's walls? Likewise, we are guests in the Webmiss' cyber house, and are allowed to hang our writing and art on her walls, but like the real house walls, would we smear excrement on these walls?
Just my thoughts!
First of all, I agree with their definition of erotic poetry. Also, because it was a comp, not a discussion forum, I think it was appropriately removed. Not because anyone disagreed with your opinion, but because comps will become a chaotic mess if opinions start getting posted that turn the comp into a discussion. Somebody may have said that already, so sorry if I am repeating...
When I write erotica, I try to never use profanity, but I use imagery and metaphor to paint a picture of passion that allows the reader to see with their imagination as "dirtily" as they want to perceive the scene. I avoid saying the 3 C's at all costs, but I want them to be seen through the mind's eye. Funny thing is, the one entertainer I have seen perform live more times than any other if Dr. Dirty himself, John Valby. No one has ever been more crude and sexually explicit in their song lyrics, or as funny, but he always says before starting, "if you can't take a joke, now's the time to leave".
JJ
When I write erotica, I try to never use profanity, but I use imagery and metaphor to paint a picture of passion that allows the reader to see with their imagination as "dirtily" as they want to perceive the scene. I avoid saying the 3 C's at all costs, but I want them to be seen through the mind's eye. Funny thing is, the one entertainer I have seen perform live more times than any other if Dr. Dirty himself, John Valby. No one has ever been more crude and sexually explicit in their song lyrics, or as funny, but he always says before starting, "if you can't take a joke, now's the time to leave".
JJ
