Mein Kampf re-released in Germany
mysteriouslady said:I have family that survived Auschwitz. And good thing they did or I would not be here. So Im sure you can take a wild guess at how I would feel about said book.
Forgive me, but that sounds a bit like saying you had ancestors who survived the Titanic, so now you won't watch anything with Icebergs in. (There is no real comparable tragic story in my recent family history, so I can be flippant about something which is just beyond inhuman.)
Though this partly the problem; Mein Kampf is not a detailed account of WWII and all its atrocities, and is pre-WWII, so does not have to be so connected to such a thing. On the other hand, of course it will have an anti-Semitic tone in it, so anyone who does want to read or be connected with anti-Semitism is utterly free to leave the thing well enough alone.
Banning the book may well cause extremism: it then becomes and underground icon and a forbidden fruit to revel in. Rather than a very shit book as it does not even contain any notable characters, and the imagery is hardly there, not to mention it has no romantic or fantasy or sci-fi theme in it.
Know thy enemy: it is far better to know the horror, depravity and evil, and have it hold no sway over you, than ignore or ban it only for it to make another monster when you are not watching.
Forgive me, but that sounds a bit like saying you had ancestors who survived the Titanic, so now you won't watch anything with Icebergs in. (There is no real comparable tragic story in my recent family history, so I can be flippant about something which is just beyond inhuman.)
Though this partly the problem; Mein Kampf is not a detailed account of WWII and all its atrocities, and is pre-WWII, so does not have to be so connected to such a thing. On the other hand, of course it will have an anti-Semitic tone in it, so anyone who does want to read or be connected with anti-Semitism is utterly free to leave the thing well enough alone.
Banning the book may well cause extremism: it then becomes and underground icon and a forbidden fruit to revel in. Rather than a very shit book as it does not even contain any notable characters, and the imagery is hardly there, not to mention it has no romantic or fantasy or sci-fi theme in it.
Know thy enemy: it is far better to know the horror, depravity and evil, and have it hold no sway over you, than ignore or ban it only for it to make another monster when you are not watching.
Viddax said:
Forgive me, but that sounds a bit like saying you had ancestors who survived the Titanic, so now you won't watch anything with Icebergs in. (There is no real comparable tragic story in my recent family history, so I can be flippant about something which is just beyond inhuman.)
Actually, I have read books and watched many documentaries on the subject and inhuman doesnt even begin to describe it. Maybe I had jumped the gun a bit in my original post.
Given the chance to read said book, I would just out of my own morbid curiosity. I just refuse to pay any of my own money for it. Im not even sure what all the hubbub is about. I know nothing of the book except that is related to Hitler, or am I completely wrong? Either way, maybe Ill find a copy of it deep in the bowels of one the used book stores I love to frequent in my spare time, and the owner will let me swap it out with another book.
Forgive me, but that sounds a bit like saying you had ancestors who survived the Titanic, so now you won't watch anything with Icebergs in. (There is no real comparable tragic story in my recent family history, so I can be flippant about something which is just beyond inhuman.)
Actually, I have read books and watched many documentaries on the subject and inhuman doesnt even begin to describe it. Maybe I had jumped the gun a bit in my original post.
Given the chance to read said book, I would just out of my own morbid curiosity. I just refuse to pay any of my own money for it. Im not even sure what all the hubbub is about. I know nothing of the book except that is related to Hitler, or am I completely wrong? Either way, maybe Ill find a copy of it deep in the bowels of one the used book stores I love to frequent in my spare time, and the owner will let me swap it out with another book.
To use the old cliche, when you leave it in the darkness it festers and grows. Pour sunlight on it and the exposure works as a disinfectant. As soon as you place the label "banned" on a piece of literature, it obtains a power with a potential greater then any if it had stayed accessible to all. Most problematic is who is the arbiter? A world agency? A ban to me stirs up even more questions and curiosity. I too recall Attorney General Meese and Tipper Gore's battles with pornography. The end result was their efforts only heightened interest, especially with younger people.
I have only a sketchy knowledge of this issue.
I read once that every home in Germany back then
was required to have a copy
It was the least read book ever.
I just checked out ebay to get a copy,
and there are exactly zero for sale.
I did get lucky to buy 'mein rant'
a book written in lite verse,
satirizing mein kampf.
mein rant came from part of the history of the times.
the big H, wrote his seminal book while in the slammer,
in around 1927. By the end of the '30's, when Poland got attacked,
nobody would come to their assistance, except Great Britain.
That is when Mein Rant was written, as nobody else dared
stand up to hitler, nobody wanted to rock the boat, against the bully.
I think the Brits deserve a pat on the back, for their long tradition of standing up for
whats right.
I read once that every home in Germany back then
was required to have a copy
It was the least read book ever.
I just checked out ebay to get a copy,
and there are exactly zero for sale.
I did get lucky to buy 'mein rant'
a book written in lite verse,
satirizing mein kampf.
mein rant came from part of the history of the times.
the big H, wrote his seminal book while in the slammer,
in around 1927. By the end of the '30's, when Poland got attacked,
nobody would come to their assistance, except Great Britain.
That is when Mein Rant was written, as nobody else dared
stand up to hitler, nobody wanted to rock the boat, against the bully.
I think the Brits deserve a pat on the back, for their long tradition of standing up for
whats right.
Fine go ahead read the book but its extremely radical thinking. I get the whole freedom of speech argument. Along with the banned cookie jar thinking that if it is banned it is sought after. However in my original argument I say it should be banned as it promotes hate speech. If any form of art has hate speech in anyway that offends other people your artwork will not be shown or published. The same applies for "Mein Kampft". I do not think you guys understand the severity of the topics shown in the book. THIS IS XENOPHOBIA, GENOCIDE AND INDOCTRINATION CHILDREN. This is not play play farting out rainbows topics. The influence that book may have on other people with very little context on the time period may encourage further hate speech and extremist thinking. Let's just say if it was up to me that book would never see the light of day again.
Great Britain standing up for what's right? May I remind you that Britain and France were the main country's that accused Germany for starting world war 1. They had to sign The Treaty of Versailles that created the perfect situation to start world war 2 lest we forget. If any country is to be praised its Russia they fought the bulk of bloody war against Germany.
Great Britain standing up for what's right? May I remind you that Britain and France were the main country's that accused Germany for starting world war 1. They had to sign The Treaty of Versailles that created the perfect situation to start world war 2 lest we forget. If any country is to be praised its Russia they fought the bulk of bloody war against Germany.
https://archive.org/details/AdolfHitlersMeinKampf-CompleteAudioBookMp3
if any one is interested the link is the audio book, for free. its abiut 20 hours long. So p'raps we could listen to the book and meet back here in a week, then have a proper informed discussion
if any one is interested the link is the audio book, for free. its abiut 20 hours long. So p'raps we could listen to the book and meet back here in a week, then have a proper informed discussion
Evil begets evil. Hate begets hate.
I am not saying the words contain within the book are harmless because they are absurd, but fearing them so much as to hide them from the world; is just burying a bomb. plus hate speech cannot be simply banned: either that requires an impediment on the freedom of speech bordering on totalitarian, or a case of one rule for some and another for others - where anyone accused of hate speech becomes an acceptable icon of hate and scorn and impeded rights. Love conquers hatred, knowledge conquers ignorance. It is also not as though there are legions upon legions chomping at the bit to read Mein Kampf for its hate speech as though they have been denied it. If anything annotations would put them off: more words for their feeble mind to struggle with.
Also, every country has it mistakes, and good deeds, blah blah blah. The sins of the past do not have to necessarily be repaid in the present.
Plus 'Mein Rant' sounds like a far more interesting read.
I am not saying the words contain within the book are harmless because they are absurd, but fearing them so much as to hide them from the world; is just burying a bomb. plus hate speech cannot be simply banned: either that requires an impediment on the freedom of speech bordering on totalitarian, or a case of one rule for some and another for others - where anyone accused of hate speech becomes an acceptable icon of hate and scorn and impeded rights. Love conquers hatred, knowledge conquers ignorance. It is also not as though there are legions upon legions chomping at the bit to read Mein Kampf for its hate speech as though they have been denied it. If anything annotations would put them off: more words for their feeble mind to struggle with.
Also, every country has it mistakes, and good deeds, blah blah blah. The sins of the past do not have to necessarily be repaid in the present.
Plus 'Mein Rant' sounds like a far more interesting read.
but, the world has moved on from the mistakes of WW2, and there were plenty, just like there were plenty of atrocities. humanity collectivly showed it's two extremes and an enormous amount of courage in the face of what must have been hell
mistakes were also made by the wagers of war, the instigators, the cloaked and daggered council. they have also moved on, got better at what they do
The book, lets see, one argument is it'll promote hate among the hard liners, the neo nazis. I believe any right wing or nazi worth his salt would already have a copy. I mean ...its a book for gods sake. how easy is it to smuggle a fuckin' book ?
thing about that is, of all the people who haven't moved on or got any better at what they do its the nazis around the world. they act like a bunch of thugs. you know what's coming when you see them.
on the other hand, look at how many people have died in the last ten years because of war. how many people have been displaced from their homeland because of war.
and look who's been waging it. mostly the same nations over and over
ok, so people aren't being rounded up and thrown into ovens. I'd imagine depleted uranium gets pretty fuckin' hot
not to mention the other nifty war-heads that'll cook half a village in seconds
Wars are different now, mistakes have been rectified. millions of deaths occur every year while we go about our daily bustle.
the book is old, its a relic of a time when things were a bit more transparent
mistakes were also made by the wagers of war, the instigators, the cloaked and daggered council. they have also moved on, got better at what they do
The book, lets see, one argument is it'll promote hate among the hard liners, the neo nazis. I believe any right wing or nazi worth his salt would already have a copy. I mean ...its a book for gods sake. how easy is it to smuggle a fuckin' book ?
thing about that is, of all the people who haven't moved on or got any better at what they do its the nazis around the world. they act like a bunch of thugs. you know what's coming when you see them.
on the other hand, look at how many people have died in the last ten years because of war. how many people have been displaced from their homeland because of war.
and look who's been waging it. mostly the same nations over and over
ok, so people aren't being rounded up and thrown into ovens. I'd imagine depleted uranium gets pretty fuckin' hot
not to mention the other nifty war-heads that'll cook half a village in seconds
Wars are different now, mistakes have been rectified. millions of deaths occur every year while we go about our daily bustle.
the book is old, its a relic of a time when things were a bit more transparent
People should be allowed to think for themselves and make their own choice. I am anti banning for sure. The bible breeds just as much hate and killing. "God" used locusts, plague, floods etc to slaughter, apparently, and the bible speaks of such things, yet every home should have one? A person already has to be fucked up in the head before reading such a book to go out and act on it.
It's not like people are not already aware of that history.
It's not like people are not already aware of that history.
As a History major, Mien Kamp was required reading. I think anyone with a clear head who reads Hitler's diatribe would conclude he was insane. As my professor, Dr. Stephen Feinstein, pointed out, "Mien Kamp serves as an example of 'hate' on the printed page."
He contended,that Hitler is one of many, who exploit social and economic problems, using them as a springboard to spread hate and fear.
He contended that by having Mien Kamp available to the public, it will discredit future 'hate and fear' works, who try to slither in psyche of humanity.
Since reading Mien Kamp, I've come to the realization what he said to be so true. Go to any bookstore, and buy the top books written by political zealots, than compare them to Mien Kamp. The similarities will be startling.
He contended,that Hitler is one of many, who exploit social and economic problems, using them as a springboard to spread hate and fear.
He contended that by having Mien Kamp available to the public, it will discredit future 'hate and fear' works, who try to slither in psyche of humanity.
Since reading Mien Kamp, I've come to the realization what he said to be so true. Go to any bookstore, and buy the top books written by political zealots, than compare them to Mien Kamp. The similarities will be startling.
Those who do not learn history often times repeat it. Censorship sucks, bottom line. It should be read, to understand the behavior that leads to people like Hitler getting the power to execute such terrible actions.
Racial history is censored (or just not taught) in America, which sucks. It is like the confederate flag, I detest it, will not fly it on my vehicle, nor paste it on my home (most people around here fly it as if its a sacred image) that being said, it should stand at the state capitals, to remember there was a war, a great divide among the people. It should not be forgotten. If we forget about it, at some point it is likely to happen again. People would like to think this generation gets along better racially than any other, and in some ways I would be inclined to agree, the issue lies in the fact that we are separating in different ways, and getting larger numbers against each other. Call me crazy but I think another world war is closer than we'd like to think, I think we are on thin ice. Maybe a bit off topic but that's just how I feel.
To answer; nothing should be censored, it needs to be acknowledged, at least in my opinion.
Racial history is censored (or just not taught) in America, which sucks. It is like the confederate flag, I detest it, will not fly it on my vehicle, nor paste it on my home (most people around here fly it as if its a sacred image) that being said, it should stand at the state capitals, to remember there was a war, a great divide among the people. It should not be forgotten. If we forget about it, at some point it is likely to happen again. People would like to think this generation gets along better racially than any other, and in some ways I would be inclined to agree, the issue lies in the fact that we are separating in different ways, and getting larger numbers against each other. Call me crazy but I think another world war is closer than we'd like to think, I think we are on thin ice. Maybe a bit off topic but that's just how I feel.
To answer; nothing should be censored, it needs to be acknowledged, at least in my opinion.
Anonymous
The only people who will heed the words written in Mien Kampf are the ones looking for those words to heed...to build a platform of intolerance and hatred.
In 1988 in the UK, a book called 'The Satanic Verses', by the author Salman Rushdie, was published. Within a short time, a fatwah calling for his death was issued by the Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran, and in some UK towns with sizeable Muslim populations, such as Bradford, in the north of England, there were demonstrations and book burnings attended by thousands of people. In several Muslim countries, such as Pakistan, several people died in huge demonstrations that got out of hand because people were hysterical with fury. I would suspect that of the people involved in all these demonstrations, not half a dozen of them had actually read the book. So should the book have been published? Hell, yes! Ignorance, fanaticism and mass hysteria are no excuse for censorship. If we accept that idea, the morons have won!
Ceejay - That is a very good example! It shows that hate and idiocy exists without having to 'fed' or fuelled by a book and the words within. Had the Verses then been banned and withdrawn from circulation it would almost have been worse; an icon for hatred but nothing to vent at, no way to actually destroy it. Basically, as bad as burning a book is, it is better than just burning people because you cannot get to the book.
Know thy enemy - The better to conquer their ignorance and hate with knowledge, compassion, and humanity.
Know thy enemy - The better to conquer their ignorance and hate with knowledge, compassion, and humanity.
