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lepperochan
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We are always changing and adapting. d.n.a is the hard drive, sex sends on instructions and program them to the fetus's brain. ...its the very first piece of information the brain receives

So,  I was wondering, if you have an area of land where the life death cycle happens much much faster than normal, how much would it effect the d.n.a, would it speed up evolution ? what kind of adapt would the d.n.a make accordingly

wouldn't it be fantastic if, down the line we adapted enough to lose the need for eating altogether ?

we mixed with our last model,  had inter specie sex, I don't think there was an aggressive movement where we aimed to wipe each other out

what's the chances of there being our next model already walking the earth, do you think we are arrogant enough to wage war on them ?


your thoughts


Viddax
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Not quite what I expected from such a thread, but then again what was I to expect from the Ministry-Of-Craic that is Lep (in the future your name may well have changed again).

If you have a faster life-death cycle, does that not stunt evolution somewhat? I was under the impression that evolution is the need and drive to live longer. If that is the case then the thing would probably try to move away from the area to exist in an area that has a prolonged life-death cycle. Therefore the desire to explore could become hard coded into the DNA.

Maybe that would be fantastic, but maybe not quite feasible. Stars have a life cycle, and their fusion could be seen as a form of eating. Fusion is the way forward for not just our technology but our biology: fusing things together releases more energy than taking it apart, fission. To loose the need for eating altogether brings with it the danger of stunted existence; that we do not mature or change or even evolve in the long run. Possibly have immortality but plateau in a state that does not give us more.

The next 'model' of the human species could arguably be a cyborg one: one that contains both the human being but also technology intrinsically in it to augment it's human capacities. The next step beyond bionic replacements which primarily replace lost or missing parts, and beyond current technology such as smartphones which are accessories and not internal bound parts of us.
If anything we would not be arrogant but stupid and stubborn enough to wage war. However if the next human model has a better style of interaction and integration, then their advances through integration and sharing could well spell the death knell to our classification and border-minded style of life.

Hopefully another person can give a more scientific answer, less reliant upon the theoretical.

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I believe in evolution, I also believe in and that the Judeo/Christian God created everything and us and that the contradictatory statements in the Bible to that statement are not representative to the true word of God.

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technology constantly changes, but it's not really evolving or adapting.  some would say that technology is improving, but I don't.. cell phones. cars. computers get more expensive with each new version. and the old ones burden land fills.
as long as we depend on technology, we cannot evolve.
cross breeding is not evolution. it's genetic manipulation. dangerous games.
you can throw people into a fire, will they eventually evolve into fire retardant people? will they adapt to fire?
so evolving means to change, completely and not gradually.
the only thing I know that changes that way is a caterpillar when it becomes a butterfly. most insects are thus. they go from crawling to flying overnight.
what would a human have to become to be evolved?
I don't know. It's nothing that has ever been imagined before.

don't comment on my comment. I don't like that. just read it, or skip over me. I don't care how clever or smart you are. it's only intellect you are using. it's not imagination.

poet Anonymous

first of all, and I do not say this lightly
up to the reader to decide if what I say is valid, if they care to look into it.
Everything you know about the first humans and evolution is a lie.
EVERY bit of truth and proof is out there, if you care to look.
If you knew what certain people in this world are truly up to, you'd do yourself the favour.
if you are happy with whatever the establishment tell you is truth, it is ok. they expect it. and have you well covered.
good luck.

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lepperochan said:We are always changing and adapting. d.n.a is the hard drive, sex sends on instructions and program them to the fetus's brain. ...its the very first piece of information the brain receives

So,  I was wondering, if you have an area of land where the life death cycle happens much much faster than normal, how much would it effect the d.n.a, would it speed up evolution ? what kind of adapt would the d.n.a make accordingly

wouldn't it be fantastic if, down the line we adapted enough to lose the need for eating altogether ?

we mixed with our last model,  had inter specie sex, I don't think there was an aggressive movement where we aimed to wipe each other out

what's the chances of there being our next model already walking the earth, do you think we are arrogant enough to wage war on them ?


your thoughts



Wanna hear something interesting Eamonn?  According to science, what you are describing is actually how we started out and evolved away from. At one point in time, there were actually at least four different types of humans that existed together, more than likely interbred and thereby creating what we describe as Modern Man.  The majority of this humanity possessed the ability to procreate and birth viable children as young as our modern equivalent of eight years old.

In other words, they were living lives very comparable to the animal kingdom.

You are going to be able to procreate at a young age when you rarely get passed thirty. Would I describe this life as "evolution" if we went back to it?  It would depend. Evolution is nothing more than two factors: 1.) Change 2.) and improvement on the species and its survival.

If we follow science, it obviously improves little. (Hence why we have already "evolved" away from an accelerated life.)

Now, if we bred with species completely foreign to our own?
Hmmmm... It would certainly fit the "change" aspect of evolution.  
Would it improve humanity? From a purely physical aspect, I could see that happening.
I think the mental aspect would be the debate.

I truly believe that our human emotional state has been a help and a hindrance all at the same time. Just as animals cannot control their instincts, we are rather lousy at controlling our emotions. (which for me is nothing more than a "thinking" form of instincts.)

So... Seriously, the question that comes to my mind is what would we be like infused with baser instincts as opposed to "thinking" ones?

Would we improve or would we digress?

As far as the whole evolution versus creationism deal?  Quite frankly...*yawn*
The two are perfectly compatible if we get the provincial notion out of our heads that our idea of creationism is the only viable manner in which it could have happened.

EVERY culture possesses "creation" beliefs. Instead of believing that the first people in these creation stories had to be the first people on the planet, what is so difficult about believing they were the first people of THAT PARTICULAR CULTURE.

Voila! My ideas and belief concerning God are not misplaced and my belief in science stands firm.

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I honestly believe that evolution takes milions of years and its been exactly that..so, that in mind he have already started evolving in that humans grow increasingly smarter than before..The need to communicate will require more advancements like telepathy..besides budhist monk theoretically have achieved this through meditation..plus reptalians and mermaids do exist

lepperochan
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all fair points, thanks

I suppose, Lord V, the need to live longer may be a catalyst for a speedy adapt  rather than a hindrance

I agree evolution takes time, but I think at any one time nature has a few models running consecutive

there's every chance we are driving ourselves backwards with our reliance on technology.

Introduction of docile animals such as cows and sheep and chickens that basically stand still make us just as domesticated as they are


I watched a documentary, very like the Walking with dinosaurs series. It went back into the oceans and documented how the species in them changed and adapted to their surroundings and dangers

then followed the first fish which went landward and so on from there





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I believe the earth will have her revenge and do away with us before we evolve in some manner.
Or cats will sprout wings and finally catch some birds!!!

Viddax
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souladareatease said:I believe the earth will have her revenge and do away with us before we evolve in some manner.
Or cats will sprout wings and finally catch some birds!!!


Yeah, well if you go down that road, earth is completely pre-fudged in terms of current human life as the Sun will either cop out and just burn itself out to nothing or decide to have an internal look at itself and black hole the Solar System for starters.

Lep, our reliance on technology will drive us backwards, that is why technology needs to be an augment not a replacement. Basically as a species we still need the know-how to be able to build things like pyramids and wells, even if our everyday life is in skyscrapers with water from the taps. (Even then it is still roughly the same information of shapes and angles and problem solving.)

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BoFantastic said:don't comment on my comment. I don't like that. just read it, or skip over me. I don't care how clever or smart you are. it's only intellect you are using. it's not imagination.

Probably not a good idea to put comments in a Forum called 'Discussion and Debate' if you feel like that.
Perhaps you should look for a section called 'My opinion and fuck everyone else.' Oh, and at the risk of offending your delicate sensibilities, what you said about evolution is garbage.

poet Anonymous

if nothing in nature evolves unless it is used or needed, how did humans develop a brain of which we use
only a fraction of its potential? Was there ever a time when humans used its maximum capability?

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It has  come into the news recently that psychological experiments printed in journals,
were found to only be repeatable by the scientific method in about  33 percent of the time.  
The other two thirds of the experiments were just from the researchers creative imagination.  

http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/08/100-psychology-experiments-repeated-less-than-half-successful/

So the theory that we only use a small portion of our brains may just be some artful conjecture of some tenured psychologist.

However, we may indeed have become a society of mental slackers as the need to hunt food, create organized societies, with power structures,
may have already been done for us, and our daily lives are  pretty easy now a days.

But I actually think that our society allows individuals to specialize, and stock up on some niche field, to contribute back an expertness  requiring all of our brain power, albeit in just that speciality.  

In my own experience with my brain, as a jack of all trades person,  I find I have to whizzer buzz my brain up on each endeavor, kind of learning things anew, recalling back into memory skills useful for the task at hand, then after the job is done, a year later I might come back to it again, and wonder how in the world did I actually do that?!.  Either that or my decline into senility is showing itself.


Viddax
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The 10% of the brain used is a myth: we use all the brain and its power but cannot necessarily consciously harness that power. It is a bit like a car: just because we can only hear the engine does not mean the lights and air con are not working.
I thought that even if the 10% myth was true, the brain still has to deal with the immense task of keeping us alive and collective: making sure organs function properly whilst fighting diseases (undeadly daily invasive ones) , monitor energy levels, maintain blood flow, and generally keep the body together rather than a skin sack that tears itself apart.

lepperochan
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Perhaps, but don't forget a lot of the basics ie : survival for instance.  breathing and most of which life demands are already hardwired into the brain. I'd have thought a fair amount of skills which were needed for survival are more of a hobby now than nesisity,

( though I do getvwhat you're saying, Rabit. being innovative is a damn decent skill. but I think the ability to specialise would be bad for evolution as a collective. if everyone was different all the time how would nature know what's working and not )

hard to say that particular percentage of our brain's potential is getting any kind of a work out

I suppose it'd be nice to have some sort of projection of where evolution is going to be in another hundred million years. I'd like to think we'd become energy. Fifty billion tiny lights fluttering across the universe  ...like locusts


in anyway, for the most part we seem to be a species which is still very uniform in one way or the other. ...or the same kinda dumb as always

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