Confederate Flag
To get to the gist of the basic question and the tragedy that sparked it: BURN THAT FUCKIN THING!
Both my parents are from Charleston, SC and I spent much of my youth there, and I've written a number of pieces to that end; including two recently published poems. I grew up hearing stories about the Klan and what they did to Blacks on the rural islands that surround the port city. Consequently I learned how to handle pistols and rifles at the same time I was learning to fish and ride a bike.
Traditionalists say the flag is a symbol of states' rights (bullshit) - thats the bullshit that was fed to the Confederate troops many of whom never or rarely saw a Black person nor owned slaves. Like most wars, the Civil War was about economics and protecting the interests of wealthy plantation owners (ever hear of Halliburton). The demise of that Confederate symbol on public institutions, and for commercial purposes is long long overdue. When that flag falls in South Carolina I'll probably cry tears of joy (and get shit faced drunk) - least those nine souls will not have died in vain.
Next: Getting the NFL to get that ass wipe Dan Synder to change the name and symbol of the Washington football team.
Both my parents are from Charleston, SC and I spent much of my youth there, and I've written a number of pieces to that end; including two recently published poems. I grew up hearing stories about the Klan and what they did to Blacks on the rural islands that surround the port city. Consequently I learned how to handle pistols and rifles at the same time I was learning to fish and ride a bike.
Traditionalists say the flag is a symbol of states' rights (bullshit) - thats the bullshit that was fed to the Confederate troops many of whom never or rarely saw a Black person nor owned slaves. Like most wars, the Civil War was about economics and protecting the interests of wealthy plantation owners (ever hear of Halliburton). The demise of that Confederate symbol on public institutions, and for commercial purposes is long long overdue. When that flag falls in South Carolina I'll probably cry tears of joy (and get shit faced drunk) - least those nine souls will not have died in vain.
Next: Getting the NFL to get that ass wipe Dan Synder to change the name and symbol of the Washington football team.
Atehequa said:
Well Johnny, it was of your choosing to involve yourself here for the sake of winning. May I ask what it is you hope to win?
I do recall choosing to raise quite a few points about how silly it is to compare the Confederate flag to the American Flag.
Something about dwelling in a past that has little bearing on the present. How descendants of indigenous culture of North America seem to be lacking in a spiritual coping mechanism for how events played out.
You know .... those things that occur when people have a back and forth exchange of ideas and information.
And then discussion was derailed ( again ) when you started complaining about stereotyping.
YAWN.
This is getting boring.
On the bright side, this will probably inspire me to write a(nother) poem.
Well Johnny, it was of your choosing to involve yourself here for the sake of winning. May I ask what it is you hope to win?
I do recall choosing to raise quite a few points about how silly it is to compare the Confederate flag to the American Flag.
Something about dwelling in a past that has little bearing on the present. How descendants of indigenous culture of North America seem to be lacking in a spiritual coping mechanism for how events played out.
You know .... those things that occur when people have a back and forth exchange of ideas and information.
And then discussion was derailed ( again ) when you started complaining about stereotyping.
YAWN.
This is getting boring.
On the bright side, this will probably inspire me to write a(nother) poem.
JohnnyBlaze said:[quote-305730-Atehequa]
Well Johnny, it was of your choosing to involve yourself here for the sake of winning. May I ask what it is you hope to win?
I do recall choosing to raise quite a few points about how silly it is to compare the Confederate flag to the American Flag.
Something about dwelling in a past that has little bearing on the present. How descendants of indigenous culture of North America seem to be lacking in a spiritual coping mechanism for how events played out.
You know .... those things that occur when people have a back and forth exchange of ideas and information.
And then discussion was derailed ( again ) when you started complaining about stereotyping.
YAWN.
This is getting boring.
On the bright side, this will probably inspire me to write a(nother) poem.[/quote]
Ahhh, a back and forth exchange of ideas and information. Hopefully it went in a civil enough manner for you. I'm certainly glad you derived a bit of poetic inspiration from such an exchange.
Well Johnny, it was of your choosing to involve yourself here for the sake of winning. May I ask what it is you hope to win?
I do recall choosing to raise quite a few points about how silly it is to compare the Confederate flag to the American Flag.
Something about dwelling in a past that has little bearing on the present. How descendants of indigenous culture of North America seem to be lacking in a spiritual coping mechanism for how events played out.
You know .... those things that occur when people have a back and forth exchange of ideas and information.
And then discussion was derailed ( again ) when you started complaining about stereotyping.
YAWN.
This is getting boring.
On the bright side, this will probably inspire me to write a(nother) poem.[/quote]
Ahhh, a back and forth exchange of ideas and information. Hopefully it went in a civil enough manner for you. I'm certainly glad you derived a bit of poetic inspiration from such an exchange.
LobodeSanPedro said:To get to the gist of the basic question and the tragedy that sparked it: BURN THAT FUCKIN THING!
Both my parents are from Charleston, SC and I spent much of my youth there, and I've written a number of pieces to that end; including two recently published poems. I grew up hearing stories about the Klan and what they did to Blacks on the rural islands that surround the port city. Consequently I learned how to handle pistols and rifles at the same time I was learning to fish and ride a bike.
Traditionalists say the flag is a symbol of states' rights (bullshit) - thats the bullshit that was fed to the Confederate troops many of whom never or rarely saw a Black person nor owned slaves. Like most wars, the Civil War was about economics and protecting the interests of wealthy plantation owners (ever hear of Halliburton). The demise of that Confederate symbol on public institutions, and for commercial purposes is long long overdue. When that flag falls in South Carolina I'll probably cry tears of joy (and get shit faced drunk) - least those nine souls will not have died in vain.
Next: Getting the NFL to get that ass wipe Dan Synder to change the name and symbol of the Washington football team.
It is indeed horrifically sad that nine people perished in a place of worship by someone who glorified the confederate flag. Imagine how it was for the Miniconjou after Uŋpȟáŋ Glešká and his band of unarmed spiritual ghost dancers which mostly included the elderly, women and children were shot down by the United States Army at Wounded Knee. Today it seems some people are taken aback or angered by any of our opinions regarding what the stars and stripes represents to many of us.
Both my parents are from Charleston, SC and I spent much of my youth there, and I've written a number of pieces to that end; including two recently published poems. I grew up hearing stories about the Klan and what they did to Blacks on the rural islands that surround the port city. Consequently I learned how to handle pistols and rifles at the same time I was learning to fish and ride a bike.
Traditionalists say the flag is a symbol of states' rights (bullshit) - thats the bullshit that was fed to the Confederate troops many of whom never or rarely saw a Black person nor owned slaves. Like most wars, the Civil War was about economics and protecting the interests of wealthy plantation owners (ever hear of Halliburton). The demise of that Confederate symbol on public institutions, and for commercial purposes is long long overdue. When that flag falls in South Carolina I'll probably cry tears of joy (and get shit faced drunk) - least those nine souls will not have died in vain.
Next: Getting the NFL to get that ass wipe Dan Synder to change the name and symbol of the Washington football team.
It is indeed horrifically sad that nine people perished in a place of worship by someone who glorified the confederate flag. Imagine how it was for the Miniconjou after Uŋpȟáŋ Glešká and his band of unarmed spiritual ghost dancers which mostly included the elderly, women and children were shot down by the United States Army at Wounded Knee. Today it seems some people are taken aback or angered by any of our opinions regarding what the stars and stripes represents to many of us.
lepperochan said:doesn't the white man's ways include speaking and writing English, using running water and electricity, buying food and clothes ...and hair gel, living in a house etc ?
Sounds a lot like 'what have the Romans ever done for us?' sketch from Monty Python's Life of Brian.
Such things have to be credited to empires: they try to bring people together and speak the same language, if only to pay taxes and obey slightly unnecessary laws.
I look forward to the day where a spiritual person can be in touch with their chosen path, yet live in the hubbub of the city and make the two synchronise and infuse together, rather than orbit apart.
Sounds a lot like 'what have the Romans ever done for us?' sketch from Monty Python's Life of Brian.
Such things have to be credited to empires: they try to bring people together and speak the same language, if only to pay taxes and obey slightly unnecessary laws.
I look forward to the day where a spiritual person can be in touch with their chosen path, yet live in the hubbub of the city and make the two synchronise and infuse together, rather than orbit apart.
In response to LobodeSanPedro:
The Redskins symbol in itself is not offensive. It's the word, Redskins beneath the symbol that makes it so. The solution for Snyder is simply delete the word. Let the team be known as Washington.
The Redskins symbol in itself is not offensive. It's the word, Redskins beneath the symbol that makes it so. The solution for Snyder is simply delete the word. Let the team be known as Washington.
fred_r_kane said:In response to LobodeSanPedro:
The Redskins symbol in itself is not offensive. It's the word, Redskins beneath the symbol that makes it so. The solution for Snyder is simply delete the word. Let the team be known as Washington.
Haven't you heard?
White Man and Redskin are practically terms of endearment these days.
The Redskins symbol in itself is not offensive. It's the word, Redskins beneath the symbol that makes it so. The solution for Snyder is simply delete the word. Let the team be known as Washington.
Haven't you heard?
White Man and Redskin are practically terms of endearment these days.
JohnnyBlaze said:[quote-305792-Atehequa]
Perhaps that is because you saw this as something to be won instead of discussed.
I'm fairly confident that the opposite is true; that at this point I have more to gain from continuing to walk away from this juke box playing a broken record.[/quote]
So long, Waninee Sakeeta.
Perhaps that is because you saw this as something to be won instead of discussed.
I'm fairly confident that the opposite is true; that at this point I have more to gain from continuing to walk away from this juke box playing a broken record.[/quote]
So long, Waninee Sakeeta.
fred_r_kane said:In response to LobodeSanPedro:
The Redskins symbol in itself is not offensive. It's the word, Redskins beneath the symbol that makes it so. The solution for Snyder is simply delete the word. Let the team be known as Washington.
I know some Native Americans and related organizations who couldn't disagree with you more with regards to the symbol.
Personally, if the New York Knicks were formally known as the Negras or ShineBoys with a picture of "Uncle Ben" as the symbol - even after changing such a degrading name - the symbol would have to go too or the Garden would burn.
... And that's at the heart of this conversation: racist symbols.
The Redskins symbol in itself is not offensive. It's the word, Redskins beneath the symbol that makes it so. The solution for Snyder is simply delete the word. Let the team be known as Washington.
I know some Native Americans and related organizations who couldn't disagree with you more with regards to the symbol.
Personally, if the New York Knicks were formally known as the Negras or ShineBoys with a picture of "Uncle Ben" as the symbol - even after changing such a degrading name - the symbol would have to go too or the Garden would burn.
... And that's at the heart of this conversation: racist symbols.
Anonymous
everybody kick the jukebox and boombox off and go listen to some shaman music on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wMOOHV_OSg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wMOOHV_OSg
HollyDove said:everybody kick the jukebox and boombox off and go listen to some shaman music on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wMOOHV_OSg
But it is the traditional songs that have power -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD40vXlXYu0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wMOOHV_OSg
But it is the traditional songs that have power -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD40vXlXYu0
